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PostOct 28, 2020#151

Stltoday - Police searching for suspect after 2-year-old shot in Ferguson road rage incident

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KSDK - WOMAN KILLED IN TRACTOR-TRAILER CRASH ON I-44 AFTER STOPPING TO HELP VICTIMS OF ANOTHER WRECK

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PostOct 28, 2020#153

Surprised it wasn’t posted here but a high level Bayer executive was recently killed in a car accident on 270.

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Bayer executive dies after crash on Interstate 270
St. LOUIS COUNTY — A Bayer Crop Science executive died Friday from injuries sustained in a crash on Interstate 270. 
Mauricio Amore Ferreira, 47, was pronounced dead at Mercy St. Louis Friday, about two days after he was injured in a crash on I-270 northbound near Creve Coeur, according to the Missouri State Highway Patrol. 
Amore Ferreira was driving a 2015 Mercedes sedan on the highway just north of Clayton Road about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday with two passengers in the car, men ages 40 and 41.
When the Mercedes attempted to change lanes, a driver of a 2016 Kia Optima heading the same direction collided with the rear of the vehicle causing the Mercedes to hit the highway's concrete median, according to the highway patrol.

The Kia also spun off the road and into a ditch, the highway patrol said.  
Amore Ferreira died two days later. One of his passengers, the 40-year-old man, was also seriously injured in the crash.
Amore Ferreira got a degree in industrial engineering at Universidad de Los Andes in Colombia before beginning a nearly 20-year career at Monsanto in the late '90s where he did work focusing on Latin American and Indonesian markets, according to his professional LinkedIn page. 
Amore Ferreira began working for Bayer Crop Science when the company acquired Monsanto in 2018 and most recently held the title of Global Commercial Strategy & Deployment Lead, according to the page.

He was a father of two children and was involved in Ladue schools, according to his social media pages. St. Louis County property records show he lived in Ladue.

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PostOct 29, 2020#155

Fox2 - Pedestrian struck, killed on Tesson Ferry Road; lanes closed

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PostOct 29, 2020#156

They were towing a car off the McDonald's lot on North Tucker this afternoon that had apparently left Tucker and traveled across the sidewalk, up the embankment into the McDonald's lot.

It's amazing how often you see cars in odd places and wonder how they managed that. There are frequently cars with ripped-out oil pans marooned on the medians in that area.

That spot by the Arch, Memorial and Walnut, where a car apparently barreled through the jersey barriers some months ago still looks awful. It's a bad look at such a highly visited spot.

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PostOct 30, 2020#157

I don't remember the details, but someone managed to run a police roadblock, crash into a police vehicle, and roll their own car on one of the downtown bridges a couple of days ago.

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PostOct 30, 2020#158

Adding to my list of personal experiences here, experienced a car pass me on the left (in the opposite traffic's lane) on Tower Grove Ave just north of Vandeventer this evening.  Not only did they blow through every stop sign at like 50 mph, but they even drove on the curb (the SW corner... so they were still going north in the southbound lane) when they turned left onto Swan.  How they managed to not hit that street light or stop sign I have no clue.  There are no simply rules on St. Louis roads.

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PostOct 30, 2020#159

About three weeks ago, I was in a very small car accident at Kingshighway and Magnolia.

I was going South in the left-most lane that goes straight, as my turn was coming up at Arsenal. I was not in the left-hand turn lane.

Yet somehow, someway, the driver next to me, to my right, in the center lane, decides to gun it and try to make a left turn around me.

They clipped me, lightly, as I veered into what was an EMPTY turn lane.

Then they were upset that I was upset.

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PostOct 30, 2020#160

^ you mean they actually stopped and exchanged insurance info with you and didn't murder you?

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Oct 30, 2020
Adding to my list of personal experiences here, experienced a car pass me on the left (in the opposite traffic's lane) on Tower Grove Ave just north of Vandeventer this evening.  Not only did they blow through every stop sign at like 50 mph, but they even drove on the curb (the SW corner... so they were still going north in the southbound lane) when they turned left onto Swan.  How they managed to not hit that street light or stop sign I have no clue.  There are no simply rules on St. Louis roads.
this is actually a big part of why we finally decided to leave—the general lawlessness. we were seeing this kind of stuff all the time around our neighborhood, and we were threatened several times for trying to block garbage from speeding around us. one lovely woman tried to pass me in the parking lane on Grand going about 60 MPH and when I wouldn't let her pass she followed me to my destination and told me I was gonna get shot—that we "weren't in charge 'round here no more." something very similar happened to my spouse not long after. and there were a couple of occasions where we got followed and had to pass our house and drive around until we lost them. all because we veered slightly to stop them from passing us at a stop sign. add to that all the bullsh*t that we saw on a daily basis but weren't involved with. pieces of sh*t turning left from the right lane on a red light. blowing through red lights. blowing through stop signs at 50 MPH (I almost got killed on my bike by one of those). going 60 in a 30. passing in the oncoming lane, in the turn lane, in the parking lane. it just got to be too much for us.

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blowing through stop signs at 50 MPH (I almost got killed on my bike by one of those).
Same here. One car was passing another going 50 westbound through a 4-way stop, and I was slowly rolling northbound into a turn eastbound onto the racers' street. Good thing I was listening closely as I approached.

That lack of safe places to bike anywhere near downtown (other than the riverfront trail) is going to be a big factor in getting me to move. And the fact that almost every daily walk features some new evidence of an out-of-control car crossing a sidewalk somewhere.

I spent time as a bike messenger in NYC years ago, so it's not a general fearfulness of biking around cars. It's a fearfulness of the small minority who drive at a criminally negligent level.

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PostOct 30, 2020#163

urban_dilettante wrote:
Oct 30, 2020
Laife Fulk wrote:
Oct 30, 2020
Adding to my list of personal experiences here, experienced a car pass me on the left (in the opposite traffic's lane) on Tower Grove Ave just north of Vandeventer this evening.  Not only did they blow through every stop sign at like 50 mph, but they even drove on the curb (the SW corner... so they were still going north in the southbound lane) when they turned left onto Swan.  How they managed to not hit that street light or stop sign I have no clue.  There are no simply rules on St. Louis roads.
this is actually a big part of why we finally decided to leave—the general lawlessness. we were seeing this kind of stuff all the time around our neighborhood, and we were threatened several times for trying to block garbage from speeding around us. one lovely woman tried to pass me in the parking lane on Grand going about 60 MPH and when I wouldn't let her pass she followed me to my destination and told me I was gonna get shot—that we "weren't in charge 'round here no more." something very similar happened to my spouse not long after. and there were a couple of occasions where we got followed and had to pass our house and drive around until we lost them. all because we veered slightly to stop them from passing us at a stop sign. add to that all the bullsh*t that we saw on a daily basis but weren't involved with. pieces of sh*t turning left from the right lane on a red light. blowing through red lights. blowing through stop signs at 50 MPH (I almost got killed on my bike by one of those). going 60 in a 30. passing in the oncoming lane, in the turn lane, in the parking lane. it just got to be too much for us.
Did you just move out of the city or another metro?  Ignoring all traffic rules to spite white people? An occurrence here and there wouldn't be a big deal but this daily stuff really wears you down. I haven't had anyone follow me and I certainly don't shy away from honking at anyone and asserting myself in traffic. 

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blowing through stop signs at 50 MPH (I almost got killed on my bike by one of those).
Same here. One car was passing another going 50 westbound through a 4-way stop, and I was slowly rolling northbound into a turn eastbound onto the racers' street. Good thing I was listening closely as I approached.

That lack of safe places to bike anywhere near downtown (other than the riverfront trail) is going to be a big factor in getting me to move. And the fact that almost every daily walk features some new evidence of an out-of-control car crossing a sidewalk somewhere.

I spent time as a bike messenger in NYC years ago, so it's not a general fearfulness of biking around cars. It's a fearfulness of the small minority who drive at a criminally negligent level.
mine happened on Shaw between Grand and Tower Grove. i was eastbound turning north off of Shaw and some dude in his neon blue BMW came flying west down Shaw completely ignoring stop sign after stop sign. i was in the middle of turning—passing through his lane—when he blew through the stop and swerved around me into the eastbound lane. had there been a car in that lane at the time he probably wouldn't have swerved and i'd probably be dead. it was one of those life-flashes-before-your-eyes moments.

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Did you just move out of the city or another metro?  Ignoring all traffic rules to spite white people? An occurrence here and there wouldn't be a big deal but this daily stuff really wears you down. I haven't had anyone follow me and I certainly don't shy away from honking at anyone and asserting myself in traffic. 
another (small) metro. east coast. the stars aligned in a way that allowed us to make the move. it wasn't an easy decision, and i'm still pretty torn up about it, but my spouse doesn't have the STL ties that i do and we were both stressed out and unhappy so... sometimes you just gotta move on.

just be careful with the honking and asserting. people have lost their minds. we were pretty freaked out by the number of times we were threatened—and all within about a mile of our house in south city. we really felt like we were being told to GTFO.

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PostOct 30, 2020#166

Stltoday - Woman dies in crash one year after daughter struck, killed by St. Louis County police SUV

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PostOct 30, 2020#167

eee123 wrote:
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Oct 30, 2020
blowing through stop signs at 50 MPH (I almost got killed on my bike by one of those).
Same here. One car was passing another going 50 westbound through a 4-way stop, and I was slowly rolling northbound into a turn eastbound onto the racers' street. Good thing I was listening closely as I approached.

That lack of safe places to bike anywhere near downtown (other than the riverfront trail) is going to be a big factor in getting me to move. And the fact that almost every daily walk features some new evidence of an out-of-control car crossing a sidewalk somewhere.

I spent time as a bike messenger in NYC years ago, so it's not a general fearfulness of biking around cars. It's a fearfulness of the small minority who drive at a criminally negligent level.
Yeah, I don't bike anywhere anymore except in city parks, and only when I feel like going through the hassle of putting the bike rack on and driving there.

It has gotten to the point where bike riding feels like wearing a great big target on your back. And I cringe whenever I see young families and kids just riding around the neighborhood.

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Adding to my list of personal experiences here, experienced a car pass me on the left (in the opposite traffic's lane) on Tower Grove Ave just north of Vandeventer this evening.  Not only did they blow through every stop sign at like 50 mph, but they even drove on the curb (the SW corner... so they were still going north in the southbound lane) when they turned left onto Swan.  How they managed to not hit that street light or stop sign I have no clue.  There are no simply rules on St. Louis roads.
It's almost funny, but a couple times a week I'll see someone just flying down the street, weaving through traffic, straight through intersections, red lights/stop signs ignored, or taking corners or blowing down alleys at 50+ mph, like they are being chased, and they are trying to lose them. Every time, I stop and listen, hesitant to cross the street, thinking that surely a cop car or a carload of gangsters is going to come screaming down the street after them, and then...nothing. It never happens.

And then I regularly find tire tracks and bits and pieces of bumper, trim, hub caps, wheel well lining ( occasionally even whole cars ) strewn all over the place around the dead-end, grassy closed sections of street in the neighborhood.  So someone obviously drove over curbs and sidewalks at a high rate of speed as if they were trapped and desperate  to get away...

I just don't get it.

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PostOct 31, 2020#169

Fatal hit and run at Grand and natural bridge this evening

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PostOct 31, 2020#170

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Laife Fulk wrote:
Oct 30, 2020
Adding to my list of personal experiences here, experienced a car pass me on the left (in the opposite traffic's lane) on Tower Grove Ave just north of Vandeventer this evening.  Not only did they blow through every stop sign at like 50 mph, but they even drove on the curb (the SW corner... so they were still going north in the southbound lane) when they turned left onto Swan.  How they managed to not hit that street light or stop sign I have no clue.  There are no simply rules on St. Louis roads.
It's almost funny, but a couple times a week I'll see someone just flying down the street, weaving through traffic, straight through intersections, red lights/stop signs ignored, or taking corners or blowing down alleys at 50+ mph, like they are being chased, and they are trying to lose them. Every time, I stop and listen, hesitant to cross the street, thinking that surely a cop car or a carload of gangsters is going to come screaming down the street after them, and then...nothing. It never happens.

And then I regularly find tire tracks and bits and pieces of bumper, trim, hub caps, wheel well lining ( occasionally even whole cars ) strewn all over the place around the dead-end, grassy closed sections of street in the neighborhood.  So someone obviously drove over curbs and sidewalks at a high rate of speed as if they were trapped and desperate  to get away...

I just don't get it.
Are you downtown? This reads like every experience I've had downtown. We've had two people hit the building because they blew through the red light and got t-boned by somebody else going too fast.

I'm not going to lie, I am not a good driver. But even these people scare me.

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PostOct 31, 2020#171

^ Poor stone face on our building. Damn crazy drivers.


I really think saint louis needs tons of red light cameras at this point, and I used to be against the idea of them.

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PostOct 31, 2020#172

^ STL used to have a ton of red light cameras...every lawyer in town told people not to pay them...no one did and eventuality they were overturned at the State level. Those aren’t gonna do a damn thing. I recently moved back here to STL after close to 13 years in a different city...and the problems were all the same in that city too. If you think moving outside of STL to escape sh*tty drivers is gonna work for you...I bet I could talk you into buying an old bridge.

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My point is that the laws need to change at the state level, and then bring them back in the city with effective laws backing them up.

Every night I drive home from work and people just run all the lights around me at high speed, regularly right in front of me as I am going through a green light.

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PostOct 31, 2020#174

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^ STL used to have a ton of red light cameras...every lawyer in town told people not to pay them...no one did and eventuality they were overturned at the State level.  Those aren’t gonna do a damn thing.  I recently moved back here to STL after close to 13 years in a different city...and the problems were all the same in that city too.  If you think moving outside of STL to escape sh*tty drivers is gonna work for you...I bet I could talk you into buying an old bridge.
Sure, but when we lived in Chicago and Washington, DC police at least police would pull people over for reckless driving.  Both cities also use speed and red light cameras that help enforce things.  Were there crazy people driving like idiots?  Absolutely.  But there were definitely less of them and way more enforcement of basic traffic laws as well as lots more enforcement over expired plates / stolen plates / no plates at all. There just doesn't seem to be any desire to fix or enforce things in St. Louis.

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PostOct 31, 2020#175

^ I saw no less than 8 people stopped between 170-270-64-44-55 and US 50 when I was using them today. But I agree, it’s tough to enforce basic traffic laws when there’s a patchwork of 50+ police departments (and over 70 municipal courts) without a cohesive strategy for dealing with these types of problems...

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