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PostAug 29, 2008#26

Little Egyptian wrote:I pray the federal government takes this over.



This is one reason to elect Obama because as President he has the power to declare Cahokia Mounds a National Monument without an Act of Congress. Obviously, McCain could do the same but for several reasons, he would be far less likely than Obama to do so.


Because all those bones will turn into sweet crude! He's solved the energy crisis! Call Daniel Plainview, we've got to bring that well in!

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PostAug 10, 2009#27

There is a new book out about Cahokia Mounds getting a lot of buzz, because it includes some rather provacative findings about human sacrifice.



"Sacrificial virgins of the Mississippi"

http://www.salon.com/books/review/2009/08/06/cahokia/

had this to say:



"Cahokians performed human sacrifice, as part of some kind of theatrical, community-wide ceremony, on a startlingly large scale unknown in North America above the valley of Mexico. Simultaneous burials of as many as 53 young women (quite possibly selected for their beauty) have been uncovered beneath Cahokia's mounds, and in some cases victims were evidently clubbed to death on the edge of a burial pit, and then fell into it. A few of them weren't dead yet when they went into the pit -- skeletons have been found with their phalanges, or finger bones, digging into the layer of sand beneath them."







It is being picked up by the Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, etc. The Belleville News Democrat had this article:

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/875703.html




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PostAug 10, 2009#28

I'll have to check that out - thanks for the head's up.





btw - they finally completed Woodhenge this summer.

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PostAug 24, 2009#29

It's great that Cahokia is getting some national press and I hope to read the book sometime soon. It's even better that there's a renewed effort to create a better Cahokia site. I did a quick blog post following some of the national news - I found it funny that the P-D made it a point to say that nationally people don't know about Cahokia since I've found that locally people often don't know about it either!



http://www.stlurbanworkshop.com/2009/08 ... louis.html

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PostSep 20, 2009#30

Someone sent this link to me about ancient Native Americans in the St. Louis area. I thought it was pretty well done and contained some interesting info. It is called Uncovering Ancient St. Louis.



http://www.archaeologychannel.org/conte ... 300kW.html

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PostMay 05, 2010#31

It was recently mentioned on a different thread that Cahokia Mounds should be a national park, which I think most people would agree with. It is a UNESCO site, and should be treated like one. My thoughts on that are here. It should be a national park, for sure.

If you guys are familiar with the Mannahatta Project in NYC, perhaps you'd follow my reasoning in suggesting that the Virtual City Project in UMSL's history department should be expanded to their anthro department too. The Mannahatta project was a Zoo-Botanical Garden combination. We've got a zoo and a bontanical garden! Why can't we put together something similar?

Also, mostly unrelated, check out these royal burial mounds in Gyeongju, South Korea,

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PostMay 06, 2010#32

I bet it requires a prominent Congressman/Senator to get behind the idea to make CM an NP. I think that's how that works.

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PostMay 06, 2010#33

^^ If you really squint at the image above and use your way-back machine vision you can imagine that North St. Louis could have looked something like that if all the mounds hadn't been flattened.

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PostMay 06, 2010#34

My initial response was that it was a mock up of what Cahokia Mound National Park would look like

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PostMay 06, 2010#35

Maybe when we tore down Pruitt-Igoe we could have pushed all the rubble into large conical piles and thrown dirt on top of them. Burial mounds as monuments to our past. The mounds would shift over time, but they could be nice and grassy eventually. I bet the view of the city would be amazing from the tops of them.

PostJun 07, 2010#36

The Kansas City Star published an editorial about how Kansas needs more national park land. The article throws out some interesting statistics and references something called the America's Great Outdoors initiative. Not much at whitehouse.gov about it.

How much political capital would be needed to designate Cahokia Mounds as a national park?

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PostDec 23, 2010#37

America's Forgotten City
By Glenn Hodges

Photographs by Don Burmeister and Ira Block
If they ever build a Wal-Mart at Machu Picchu, I will think of Collinsville Road.

I'm standing at the center of what was once the greatest civilization between the deserts of Mexico and the North American Arctic—America's first city and arguably American Indians' finest achievement—and I just can't get past the four-lane gash that cuts through this historic site. Instead of imagining the thousands of people who once teemed on the grand plaza here, I keep returning to the fact that Cahokia Mounds in Illinois is one of only eight cultural World Heritage sites in the United States, and it's got a billboard for Joe's Carpet King smack in the middle of it.

But I suppose Cahokia is lucky. Less than ten miles to the west, the ancient Indian mounds that gave St. Louis the nickname Mound City in the 1800s were almost completely leveled by the turn of the century. Today only one survives, along with some photographs and a little dogleg road named Mound Street. The relentless development of the 20th century took its own toll on Cahokia: Horseradish farmers razed its second biggest mound for fill in 1931, and the site has variously been home to a gambling hall, a housing subdivision, an airfield, and (adding insult to injury) a pornographic drive-in. But most of its central features survived, and nearly all of those survivors are now protected. Cahokia Mounds may not be aesthetically pristine, but at 4,000 acres (2,200 of which are preserved as a state historic site), it is the largest archaeological site in the United States, and it has changed our picture of what Indian life was like on this continent before Europeans arrived.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... odges-text

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PostDec 23, 2010#38

Awesome. I haven't received my issue yet, so I'll be eagerly checking my mailbox every day.

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PostDec 23, 2010#39

The photog must have been standing atop the landfill across the interstate highway to get that choice shot of the other mounds.

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PostDec 23, 2010#40

Mark Groth wrote:The photog must have been standing atop the landfill across the interstate highway to get that choice shot of the other mounds.
I'm assuming they're in a crane.

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PostDec 23, 2010#41

Mark Groth wrote:The photog must have been standing atop the landfill across the interstate highway to get that choice shot of the other mounds.
The Twin Mounds are on the southern border of the site, and the Interstate is actually beyond Monk's Mound.

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PostDec 23, 2010#42

The shot on 133 is from a helicopter.

The article is fairly brief, but is great exposure for Cahokia. Interesting that major excavation work was initially paid for by highway funds when I-64 went through and now by more highway funds with the new I-70 bridge. Disturbing, but interesting. I guess funding the study of something that's about to be destroyed may be better than not funding at all.

This place should be a National Park. Just 1% has been excavated - it should be the center of more significant archeological study. It should be celebrated.

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PostDec 23, 2010#43

^
absolutely. It's really incredible that it isn't.

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PostDec 23, 2010#44

Just wanted to point out that the original post is just an excerpt. There's 6 more pages to read through and a photo gallery worth looking perusing.

I too am amazed this isn't the site of more study, fanfare, and hasn't been made a National Park as Alex said. Pretty sure there is a small movement toward that effect, but apparently there's a ton of places around the country vying to become national parks (Grant's Farm comes to mind) so without more attention being brought to Cahokia Mounds like this, I'm not sure of the odds.

Either way, the fact that only 1% has been excavated is mind boggling. Wash U offers an archeology degree. I'd think this would be a prime site for their teaching/research and could be something to draw students and acclaim to the program. The degree page mentions Cahokia, but if 99% of the area is still untouched, I doubt there's much effort being put toward it. Student class fees could help pay for a slow start, and as they turn up items and learn more, the resulting articles to be published and news reports from findings would help spread the word and draw investment. I doubt there are many other places with such potential treasure to uncover as this around the country, much less left across the world.

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PostDec 24, 2010#45

Got my print edition today, and the article is great. They talk not just about Cahokia, but also all the old mounds that used to be in St. Louis. Some before and after shots of Big Mound on the North Side, also one of present-day Sugarloaf Mound.

Good stuff.

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PostDec 24, 2010#46

It would be incredible if it was decided that Grant's Farm was historically significant enough to become a National Park, but Cahokia was not.

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PostDec 24, 2010#47

^Ah, the power of politics...better get your ideas liked by the coalition in charge if they are ever gonna succeed...

Trying to get the Cahokia Mounds to become a National Park might be more successful with a traditional, grassroots groundswell of support rather than being pushed top down by elites and interested individuals...

I don't know much about the history of this land in Cahokia, but my hunch is American industry and jobs ran into a great historical site that had little western-perceived aesthetic appeal and generated zero wealth. What I learned from K Burns AMAZING documentary about our National Parks (one of the things I'm proudest of as an American) is that these parks generally began as being very rural and greatly aided by land owning benefactors.

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PostDec 24, 2010#48

Alex Ihnen wrote: The article is fairly brief, but is great exposure for Cahokia. Interesting that major excavation work was initially paid for by highway funds when I-64 went through and now by more highway funds with the new I-70 bridge. Disturbing, but interesting. I guess funding the study of something that's about to be destroyed may be better than not funding at all.

This place should be a National Park. Just 1% has been excavated - it should be the center of more significant archeological study. It should be celebrated.
Ooops. I should have noted there were 6 pages more. The article is great, with great pictures including incredible artifacts which are very similar to Aztec artifacts.

This article's tone suggests Cahokia Mounds doesn't receive the attention it deserves, and as you read the history of Cahokia Mounds, you can see why.

Now, the concept of its greatness is starting to pick up, and I can feel the interest growing. I hope it keeps going up.

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PostDec 24, 2010#49

Alex Ihnen wrote:It would be incredible if it was decided that Grant's Farm was historically significant enough to become a National Park, but Cahokia was not.
Has Cahokia Mounds applied to be a National Park? If they haven't, then there would be nothing incredible about it.

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PostDec 24, 2010#50

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Has Cahokia Mounds applied to be a National Park? If they haven't, then there would be nothing incredible about it.
I think it would be incredible (in the "amazing" sense, not the "I don't believe it" sense) if they had applied and were unsuccessful. I also think it would be incredible if the powers that be have never applied for National Park status. The current arrangement is just so strange to me, a massive and impressive relic of a culture from over 1000 years ago, the largest Mississippian archaeological site in the country, and we keep it in our metaphorical attic. In talking with people in St. Louis I'm surprised by how many people have never been or are only vaguely aware of it. This should be a major point of pride, a crown jewel for the region on par with the Arch. Maybe if the transfer of Sugarloaf Mound to the Osage Nation opens it up to visitors and gives it a higher profile, we'll see more interest from the St. Louis side of the region in Cahokia.

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