Lol. When I toured that place in 2004, they had some units that had no windows at all, except, possibly?, a transom over the entry. And definitely only one means of egress unless you count breaking through the drywall...gone corporate wrote: ↑May 26, 2021Can confirm: Merchandise Mart has apartments that only face the atrium.
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2nd bedrooms at 1910 Washington (opened 2017) don’t have a window and all the interior units face the courtyard, which is loud and awkward if you’re trying to sleep and people are hanging out in the courtyard
Varies by city, I think you meant. I am not aware of any state building codes other than California's. Most simply refer to recent versions of the IBC as a minimum basic building code and municipalities may adopt additional requirements.LArchitecture wrote: ↑May 26, 2021You are very close to correct. I believe IBC doesn’t directly say windows are a requirement but two forms of egress which in most cases is a door and a window. It also varies by state I believe. NYC and Chicago I think are two examples of places that do require a window or “source of light” for a room to be considered a bedroom.
The window requirements (and many of the fire safety requirements) in the code are a relic of the era from the 19th century immigrant boom through the disruption of the Great Depression.
In the cities that experienced huge influxes of immigrants (St. Louis included), unscrupulous landlords threw up huge, several-story, wooden tenement buildings, which were a warren of tiny single rooms off of narrow hallways with whole families living in each one of them. Most of the rooms had shared kitchens, no plumbing, no windows, no light, no ventilation, and were massive death traps in a fire. The only "common area" with light and ventilation was an exterior walkway/staircase overlooking a narrow alley where everyone dried their laundry.
Of course, even after the requirement that each residence must have a window with natural light and ventilation, the builders got around it by simply arranging several single-room apartments around one common kitchen area with a single window overlooking an alley or courtyard. Then they gave each apartment a "window" facing the common area...
And during the Depression, the same unscrupulous landlords bought up abandoned mansions and luxury apartment buildings, divided up the rooms, and rented out what were basically closets with no windows.
384 apartments is a great number to see here andI'm glad that they're not including a hotel component. I was once told by a developer that one bedrooms are more common in apartments right now since they're normally the first to fill up. So far, that's held up in a few other projects. 1800 and 1801 Washington also take this approach (mostly one bedroom units). The inclusion of 15,000sf of retail space is a plus and I'm sure it'll attract a sports themed bar and entertainment venue to add to nightlife before and after a soccer game.
Additionally, I find the preliminary project schedule, which is on the SLDC Planroom, interesting. It says that work could start in November and wrap up in May/June 2023. An 18 month timeline for construction. That's sooner than I expected, but at least it'll be open shortly after the opening of the City SC Stadium.
Additionally, I find the preliminary project schedule, which is on the SLDC Planroom, interesting. It says that work could start in November and wrap up in May/June 2023. An 18 month timeline for construction. That's sooner than I expected, but at least it'll be open shortly after the opening of the City SC Stadium.
The stadium itself should be finished by mid-summer of next year, so it could certainly be open for other events and start generating some activity and interest in the neighborhood next fall.chriss752 wrote: ↑May 27, 2021384 apartments is a great number to see here andI'm glad that they're not including a hotel component. I was once told by a developer that one bedrooms are more common in apartments right now since they're normally the first to fill up. So far, that's held up in a few other projects. 1800 and 1801 Washington also take this approach (mostly one bedroom units). The inclusion of 15,000sf of retail space is a plus and I'm sure it'll attract a sports themed bar and entertainment venue to add to nightlife before and after a soccer game.
Additionally, I find the preliminary project schedule, which is on the SLDC Planroom, interesting. It says that work could start in November and wrap up in May/June 2023. An 18 month timeline for construction. That's sooner than I expected, but at least it'll be open shortly after the opening of the City SC Stadium.
They've been rather coy about what kinds of events they will book in the stadium, other than several mentions of e-sports...although, while I'm certainly not an event planning expert, it looks like it would make a very good, and no doubt technologically cutting-edge, outdoor concert venue. Almost like it was a design priority.
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A midsize outdoor venue is definitely something downtown needs. Busch Stadium is great for acts like the Rolling Stones and U2, but clearly not for smaller acts.
Unfortunately the between the Factory and the Centene Center, the county continues to take big bites out of the pool of acts that would otherwise be downtown or at least in the city. At the risk of going further off topic, I really hope the Orpheum Theater can get back on the rails. I just listened to a live album that Phish recorded there a while back, bring it back to the glory days!
Unfortunately the between the Factory and the Centene Center, the county continues to take big bites out of the pool of acts that would otherwise be downtown or at least in the city. At the risk of going further off topic, I really hope the Orpheum Theater can get back on the rails. I just listened to a live album that Phish recorded there a while back, bring it back to the glory days!
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There is a chance that a lower tier St. Louis City SC team will be playing in the stadium if it is available next summer. That may impact how willing they are to have concerts on their pitch.
Considering MLS and USL teams only play 2 or 3 home games a month, some of which are Wednesday games. Hopefully the grass for a "lower tier" team isn't given too much priority over concert/event opportunities.Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑May 27, 2021There is a chance that a lower tier St. Louis City SC team will be playing in the stadium if it is available next summer. That may impact how willing they are to have concerts on their pitch.
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^I'm excited to see this stadium, but we're not remotely short of either medium sized or outdoor venues, particularly downtown. Mind you, more is better, but it's no big deal to put an arena grade act at the Arch grounds or on the Gateway Mall. Art Hill is another good outdoor concert site. And the Muny is obviously a good purpose built venue that can and has on occasion hosted concerts. Sure, Riverport has a good schedule. But they're hardly the only game in town. And since that's purpose built for medium sized rock shows I don't think one more modest stadium downtown is going to cut into their schedule all that much. The biggest difference between a stadium show and a show in a park is setting up chairs. And that's far and away the easiest part of producing a show. Anyway . . . we're off topic a bit. I'm excited about the stadium. And I'm really quite excited about the Butler Brothers building as well. 
Hopefully this leads to lots of good things.
Hopefully this leads to lots of good things.An $80M zoning only building permit application has been submitted.
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Zoning-only permits are usually to show a bank/leaders/investors that the City is allowing us to do what we are asking you for the money for
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^Still seems like a good first step. At least it's a demonstration that they're seriously considering it?
This is awesome news!!! Thanks!!!dbInSouthCity wrote:
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If you asked me a year ago which project would get moving first between the RX, Jefferson Arms, the Chemical, and Butler Brothers I would have picked Butler Bros dead last.
I’ll say Jefferson Arms! Just by the owner(s) it will be hard to develop.KansasCitian wrote:Today, I'd pick RX last.
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Both buildings would be good bets, but I'll stick with RX due to it being about twice the size of JA and without an actionable plan.
Makes sense. Does the basement still flooded? Or was that another building?KansasCitian wrote:Both buildings would be good bets, but I'll stick with RX due to it being about twice the size of JA and without an actionable plan.
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It was on the LCRA agenda tomorrow. Renovation cost of $119M. 95% tax abatement for 5 years, plus 75% for 5 more, then 50% for 5 more, present value of $9.7M.
The RX?quincunx wrote:It was on the LCRA agenda today. Renovation cost of $119M. 95% tax abatement for 5 years, plus 75% for 5 more, then 50% for 5 more, present value of $9.7M.
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Given the current trend of, well, bucking the trend of subsidies, where do you think this ends up?
The Butler Brothers. You know , the subject of this thread.JJ Rivera wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2021The RX?quincunx wrote:It was on the LCRA agenda today. Renovation cost of $119M. 95% tax abatement for 5 years, plus 75% for 5 more, then 50% for 5 more, present value of $9.7M.
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I'd think the request being made would indicate that the temperature of the BoA and Mayor has been taken.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2021Given the current trend of, well, bucking the trend of subsidies, where do you think this ends up?
Wrong abbreviation! Was talking about RX and auto typed RX instead of BB lol….quincunx wrote:The Butler Brothers. You know , the subject of this thread.JJ Rivera wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2021The RX?quincunx wrote:It was on the LCRA agenda today. Renovation cost of $119M. 95% tax abatement for 5 years, plus 75% for 5 more, then 50% for 5 more, present value of $9.7M.
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