• The contract also covers Foreign Military Sales to Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland.StlAlex wrote: ↑12:29 AM - Aug 25Foreign sales include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Indonesia lmao.
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It.....doesn't matter? Here we go again celebrating the military industrial complex.RuskiSTL wrote:• The contract also covers Foreign Military Sales to Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland.StlAlex wrote: ↑12:29 AM - Aug 25Foreign sales include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Indonesia lmao.
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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... 15-program
How much of that money is going toward St. Louis area jobs? That's awesome for the region!
All of it. Largest award to Boeing to St. Louis in it's history by a large magnitude. I doubt we've seen the complete media on this announcement yet, more tomorrow. Total jobs will be measured in the tens of thousands.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑2:17 AM - Aug 25• The contract also covers Foreign Military Sales to Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland.StlAlex wrote: ↑12:29 AM - Aug 25Foreign sales include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Indonesia lmao.
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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... 15-program
How much of that money is going toward St. Louis area jobs? That's awesome for the region!
"That's awesome for the region" is by definition celebratory.addxb2 wrote:All of it. Largest award to Boeing to St. Louis in it's history by a large magnitude. I doubt we've seen the complete media on this announcement yet, more tomorrow. Total jobs will be measured in the tens of thousands.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑2:17 AM - Aug 25• The contract also covers Foreign Military Sales to Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland.StlAlex wrote: ↑12:29 AM - Aug 25Foreign sales include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Indonesia lmao.
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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... 15-program
How much of that money is going toward St. Louis area jobs? That's awesome for the region!
^ Nothing above is celebratory.
I too celebrate it! I think itd be bad for thousands of people to lose their jobs. And those people are not responsible for decisions made on a much larger scale and should feel no moral qualms about their workStlAlex wrote: ↑5:21 PM - Aug 25Hence why I need to be here to remind this forum of reality. America is deeply sick and Americans love and celebrate it.
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dude, you are so weird. just picking fights on some niche internet forum with like 65 active users.StlAlex wrote: ↑6:56 PM - Aug 25Yes please keep showing off your complete lack of morals, convictions, principles.....any sort of actual belief system. Please. You all make liberalism look so unserious, I love it.
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I hear you man. I'm sure most people on this forum would much rather Boeing be building high speed trains, subway cars, and commercial jets, but the political and social reality is that America is knee deep in the military industrial trap with no end in sight.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:22 PM - Aug 25Didn't pick a fight with anyone lol. If you go back and read the posts on the forum, you'll see people arguing to me that actually it's okay to put more weapons in the hands of authoritarian illiberal countries because it means more jobs. Try not to project.
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STLPD tried...LOL: "A Boeing spokesman declined to comment on the award."soulardx wrote: ↑6:28 PM - Aug 25Personally, I think this is great news for the region. Tens of thousands of good-paying middle class jobs. With the US spending a disproportionately high percentage of its GDP on defense, these jobs were 100% going somewhere in the U.S. So, happy that it's here.
The media coverage has been super super flimsy with every story just using AI to re-write some blurbs from the Department of War website: https://www.war.gov/News/Contracts/Cont ... g-24-2026/
I look forward to deeper reporting and hope this win gets as much local media attention as Panera moving like 45 mid-level/non exec jobs to Boston.
Going to go out on a limb and say no it will not...
"The contract covers aircraft production, systems integration, upgrades and sustainment, including new facilities aimed at keeping F-15 aircraft mission-ready for the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and other defense department customers. Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland could also see new F-15 aircraft under the contract, the defense department said."gone corporate wrote:A great day for STL. Thousands of jobs with billions in new investments. We're about to be the center of fighter aircraft in the US. Good times.
@StlAlex Here's something for you... The F-15EX line is meant to primarily allow for the provision of new aircraft for the US Air National Guard. The purpose of the USANG is to protect the US itself, e.g., to take down aircraft attacking the US. So, with this new funding round, the main focus is on keeping the homeland safe. After all, the primary aircraft types for foreign engagement are stealth aircraft, recognizing that the F-15 isn't stealth and therefore not the tip of the spear. At most, foreign engagements with the F-15EX would be to serve as a "gun truck" for forward-deployed stealth aircraft unless we can guarantee 100% established aerial control over a warzone, a concept more in doubt in the age of surface-to-air missiles and advanced aerial defense drone aircraft. And in this day and age, we have less to fear of invading aircraft being Tu-95 Bear bombers than we do swarms of drone aircraft, meaning their mission remains very much alive and perhaps more important than it's been in decades. So, this order is primarily for US national defense instead of foreign engagements. Does this assuage some of your concern? Hope so.
I'm also hopeful for updates on the F/A-XX contract. Knock wood.
Thats not even half of the point. The greater point is that the reason, fundamentally, that our infrastructure is crumbling, lets say Florrisant Ave in North City, is because we give out $131 billion contracts to corporations. The fact so many people, even "educated" and "informed" people on niche urbanist forums are blind to it is indicative of how truly terminally sick America is.goat314 wrote:I hear you man. I'm sure most people on this forum would much rather Boeing be building high speed trains, subway cars, and commercial jets, but the political and social reality is that America is knee deep in the military industrial trap with no end in sight.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:22 PM - Aug 25Didn't pick a fight with anyone lol. If you go back and read the posts on the forum, you'll see people arguing to me that actually it's okay to put more weapons in the hands of authoritarian illiberal countries because it means more jobs. Try not to project.
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StlAlex wrote: ↑8:27 PM - Aug 25"The contract covers aircraft production, systems integration, upgrades and sustainment, including new facilities aimed at keeping F-15 aircraft mission-ready for the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and other defense department customers. Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland could also see new F-15 aircraft under the contract, the defense department said."gone corporate wrote:A great day for STL. Thousands of jobs with billions in new investments. We're about to be the center of fighter aircraft in the US. Good times.
@StlAlex Here's something for you... The F-15EX line is meant to primarily allow for the provision of new aircraft for the US Air National Guard. The purpose of the USANG is to protect the US itself, e.g., to take down aircraft attacking the US. So, with this new funding round, the main focus is on keeping the homeland safe. After all, the primary aircraft types for foreign engagement are stealth aircraft, recognizing that the F-15 isn't stealth and therefore not the tip of the spear. At most, foreign engagements with the F-15EX would be to serve as a "gun truck" for forward-deployed stealth aircraft unless we can guarantee 100% established aerial control over a warzone, a concept more in doubt in the age of surface-to-air missiles and advanced aerial defense drone aircraft. And in this day and age, we have less to fear of invading aircraft being Tu-95 Bear bombers than we do swarms of drone aircraft, meaning their mission remains very much alive and perhaps more important than it's been in decades. So, this order is primarily for US national defense instead of foreign engagements. Does this assuage some of your concern? Hope so.
I'm also hopeful for updates on the F/A-XX contract. Knock wood.
Are you volunteering to get murdered by a St. Louis made weapon for the sake of jobs? My concerns would be assuaged then. At least then youd be walking the walk for all the vomit you spew on here.
****** ****.
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No but the US *is* attacking other countries with arms made here in STL, countries not attacking the US much less invading the US, so using our own logic, the countries we attack are totally justified in attacking and destroying St. Louis the way we do to other cities that produce arms.gone corporate wrote:StlAlex wrote: ↑8:27 PM - Aug 25"The contract covers aircraft production, systems integration, upgrades and sustainment, including new facilities aimed at keeping F-15 aircraft mission-ready for the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and other defense department customers. Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland could also see new F-15 aircraft under the contract, the defense department said."gone corporate wrote:A great day for STL. Thousands of jobs with billions in new investments. We're about to be the center of fighter aircraft in the US. Good times.
@StlAlex Here's something for you... The F-15EX line is meant to primarily allow for the provision of new aircraft for the US Air National Guard. The purpose of the USANG is to protect the US itself, e.g., to take down aircraft attacking the US. So, with this new funding round, the main focus is on keeping the homeland safe. After all, the primary aircraft types for foreign engagement are stealth aircraft, recognizing that the F-15 isn't stealth and therefore not the tip of the spear. At most, foreign engagements with the F-15EX would be to serve as a "gun truck" for forward-deployed stealth aircraft unless we can guarantee 100% established aerial control over a warzone, a concept more in doubt in the age of surface-to-air missiles and advanced aerial defense drone aircraft. And in this day and age, we have less to fear of invading aircraft being Tu-95 Bear bombers than we do swarms of drone aircraft, meaning their mission remains very much alive and perhaps more important than it's been in decades. So, this order is primarily for US national defense instead of foreign engagements. Does this assuage some of your concern? Hope so.
I'm also hopeful for updates on the F/A-XX contract. Knock wood.
Are you volunteering to get murdered by a St. Louis made weapon for the sake of jobs? My concerns would be assuaged then. At least then youd be walking the walk for all the vomit you spew on here.
****** ****.
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Dude, I'm not looking to invade the US. So, no, that point is moot. It's also unrealistic, vitriolic, and personally offensive in a literal sense. Slow your roll.
Are you aware that US made weapons are also used to defend countries as Ukraine against Russia? The US started the war with Iran, however these airplanes are needed in years to come so the US doesn't end up in such a weak position for example as Europe that can't defend themselves without US help. You are naive and short sighted if you think China or Russia wouldn't bully the US if they had a stronger military.StlAlex wrote: ↑12:32 AM - Aug 26No but the US *is* attacking other countries with arms made here in STL, countries not attacking the US much less invading the US, so using our own logic, the countries we attack are totally justified in attacking and destroying St. Louis the way we do to other cities that produce arms.gone corporate wrote:StlAlex wrote: ↑8:27 PM - Aug 25"The contract covers aircraft production, systems integration, upgrades and sustainment, including new facilities aimed at keeping F-15 aircraft mission-ready for the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and other defense department customers. Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland could also see new F-15 aircraft under the contract, the defense department said."
Are you volunteering to get murdered by a St. Louis made weapon for the sake of jobs? My concerns would be assuaged then. At least then youd be walking the walk for all the vomit you spew on here.
****** ****.
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Dude, I'm not looking to invade the US. So, no, that point is moot. It's also unrealistic, vitriolic, and personally offensive in a literal sense. Slow your roll.
Genuinely hilarious you think I give any shits about how personally offended I make you feel while talking about the arms we produce that are used to actually murder real people. You're like "actually its good that we produce death machines for the MIC because jobs" but also "its offensive that you think I should sow what I preach."
Standard America supremacist logic. Your life is just worth more. In fact, our middle class jobs are just worth more than foreign lives.
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It’s not unrealistic. US service members and our allies are under attack from StL made F-4 Phantoms as we speak as well F14 Tomcats.gone corporate wrote: ↑9:34 PM - Aug 25StlAlex wrote: ↑8:27 PM - Aug 25"The contract covers aircraft production, systems integration, upgrades and sustainment, including new facilities aimed at keeping F-15 aircraft mission-ready for the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and other defense department customers. Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Poland could also see new F-15 aircraft under the contract, the defense department said."gone corporate wrote:A great day for STL. Thousands of jobs with billions in new investments. We're about to be the center of fighter aircraft in the US. Good times.
@StlAlex Here's something for you... The F-15EX line is meant to primarily allow for the provision of new aircraft for the US Air National Guard. The purpose of the USANG is to protect the US itself, e.g., to take down aircraft attacking the US. So, with this new funding round, the main focus is on keeping the homeland safe. After all, the primary aircraft types for foreign engagement are stealth aircraft, recognizing that the F-15 isn't stealth and therefore not the tip of the spear. At most, foreign engagements with the F-15EX would be to serve as a "gun truck" for forward-deployed stealth aircraft unless we can guarantee 100% established aerial control over a warzone, a concept more in doubt in the age of surface-to-air missiles and advanced aerial defense drone aircraft. And in this day and age, we have less to fear of invading aircraft being Tu-95 Bear bombers than we do swarms of drone aircraft, meaning their mission remains very much alive and perhaps more important than it's been in decades. So, this order is primarily for US national defense instead of foreign engagements. Does this assuage some of your concern? Hope so.
I'm also hopeful for updates on the F/A-XX contract. Knock wood.
Are you volunteering to get murdered by a St. Louis made weapon for the sake of jobs? My concerns would be assuaged then. At least then youd be walking the walk for all the vomit you spew on here.
****** ****.
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Dude, I'm not looking to invade the US. So, no, that point is moot. It's also unrealistic, vitriolic, and personally offensive in a literal sense. Slow your roll.
