I wonder what changed in the last few years that had not allowed stuff like this to happen in the last 20 years.
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Great to see - though the most insane thing about all our infrastructure is the time it takes from announcement to actual construction. That needs to be sped up significantly.
Not trying to argue with you. All of these were first proposed during Krewson Administration and were implemented because they had to be (20th street, NGA/MLS) or because of immense private interest (GRG + GSL). Jones wouldn’t have been able to implement anything had it not been for a very generous presidential admin, ARPA, and GRG.Auggie wrote:I wonder what changed in the last few years that had not allowed stuff like this to happen in the last 20 years.
She’s had multiple other bike/ped wins, but almost none of these lines are because of this admin.
Still too slow moving for me, and I'm tired of excuses. I don't think Minneapolis, Portland, etc. other cities (and many developing world ones for those who insist its just about how rich a city is) built great networks of bicycle routes that were way better than what we have now by like 2005. That Tower Grove Connector in particular has been promised for years.
Furthermore, looking at that map of what they're building doesn't particularly inspire optimism. Like when that Market st. greenway gets done, you get pooped out at Compton/Market/Highway 40/Forest Park Parkway interchange, an exceedingly bicicyle/ped unfriendly location.
Furthermore, looking at that map of what they're building doesn't particularly inspire optimism. Like when that Market st. greenway gets done, you get pooped out at Compton/Market/Highway 40/Forest Park Parkway interchange, an exceedingly bicicyle/ped unfriendly location.
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I don't know about, the admin has actively worked on this. Its also pushed for and started the Citys first Transporation plan, a senior advisor to the mayor came from Trailnet. Its listened to my suggestions to speed up project delivery. No admin this century or maybe the last century has made as much effort in other modes. Friendly Streets Initiativeaddxb2 wrote: ↑Feb 24, 2025Not trying to argue with you. All of these were first proposed during Krewson Administration and were implemented because they had to be (20th street, NGA/MLS) or because of immense private interest (GRG + GSL). Jones wouldn’t have been able to implement anything had it not been for a very generous presidential admin, ARPA, and GRG.Auggie wrote:I wonder what changed in the last few years that had not allowed stuff like this to happen in the last 20 years.
She’s had multiple other bike/ped wins, but almost none of these lines are because of this admin.
She has had wins, as I said but most of these projects were identified and advocated by other people/teams.dbInSouthCity wrote:I don't know about, the admin has actively worked on this. Its also pushed for and started the Citys first Transporation plan, a senior advisor to the mayor came from Trailnet. Its listened to my suggestions to speed up project delivery. No admin this century or maybe the last century has made as much effort in other modes. Friendly Streets Initiativeaddxb2 wrote: ↑Feb 24, 2025Not trying to argue with you. All of these were first proposed during Krewson Administration and were implemented because they had to be (20th street, NGA/MLS) or because of immense private interest (GRG + GSL). Jones wouldn’t have been able to implement anything had it not been for a very generous presidential admin, ARPA, and GRG.Auggie wrote:I wonder what changed in the last few years that had not allowed stuff like this to happen in the last 20 years.
She’s had multiple other bike/ped wins, but almost none of these lines are because of this admin.
Trying to find one line on that map that is the Jones administration played a critical role in delivering.
Seeing this reminds me of a big Brickline question I have. How is this going to interact with SLU?kg2024 wrote:The next 2-3+ years are going to bring over 10 miles of new bi-directional, protected and/or grade separated bikeways to the central corridor St. Louis! I mapped the roughly dozen projects and phases that are currently under construction, funded and awaiting construction, or in advanced design with construction projected to start in the next 2-3 years. Seeing an interconnected system start to materialize in this relatively short period will surely bring excitement and attention to the regional effort to improve bicycle infrastructure and provide safer routes for cyclists across St. Louis!
Let me know if I missed any projects in this central area or if I'm off on the timing of these
During the school year, 1000s of students intersect along that missing line along Spring St. Feels like a recipe for bike-ped accidents and/or the University policing a new public thoroughfare.
From what I’ve seen from SLU, I can’t imagine they love it?!
That’s the one I could be convinced.Auggie wrote:4th Street.
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What's happening on 4th street?!?
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For Auggies sake, and to not be a blatantly old guard guy :
This is an honest question.
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For Auggies sake, and to not be a blatantly old guard guy :
This is an honest question.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/s/qeQNbBqPgyTheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Feb 25, 2025What's happening on 4th street?!?
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For Auggies sake, and to not be a blatantly old guard guy :
This is an honest question.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... /index.cfm
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Reached out to GRG and the reopening of the flood gate at Cass on the North Riverfront Trail has been pushed back to at least the spring. Construction on the traffic control gates is now expected to take place in April then the city will open the flood gates (theoretically)
Ground broke yesterday on the North Grand section (between MLK and Natural Bridge) hopefully phase two connecting it to SLU and the rest of the system comes soon.
The stretch between Compton and 22nd is moving along at breakneck speed. They have already poured close to 1/2 of the length of the track.
The stretch between Compton and 22nd is moving along at breakneck speed. They have already poured close to 1/2 of the length of the track.
I added Federer’s Folly (G.O.R.C.) to the Metro Region Transit Map:
STL Metro Region Transit Map
STL Metro Region Transit Map
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Got some bid documents for the Brickline Greenway North Connector, detailing a Cass Ave, Grand, and a bit of Spring street,
5617605 and 5617696-Grand Cass Corridor-Final Plans For Bid-20250401.pdf
693JJ32440255-BGNC Ph 1 Greenway-Final Plans-for BID-20250401
5617605 and 5617696-Grand Cass Corridor-Final Plans For Bid-20250401.pdf
693JJ32440255-BGNC Ph 1 Greenway-Final Plans-for BID-20250401
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Google Maps is showing Chouteau as U.S. Bicycle Rout 66 - Not sure where this came from but it makes for nice branding with the coming improvements
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We don’t brand Route 66 enough in St. Louis City. Maplewood and Kirkwood do a great job of it. Maybe some kind of promotion of the heritage trail through the city for walkers/cyclists could be successful. Commission art, murals, signage, branding, etc. I’ve seen some areas do a lot with these 66 historic routes with much less surrounding destinations than we haveGoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jul 10, 2025Screenshot 2025-07-10 094944.png
Google Maps is showing Chouteau as U.S. Bicycle Rout 66 - Not sure where this came from but it makes for nice branding with the coming improvements
I almost got run over by group bike rides in the park a couple of times. I should stage a group walk against bike traffic violence.
Seriously though, I'm for people having that as a legit option for transport but they need to follow traffic rules too.
Seriously though, I'm for people having that as a legit option for transport but they need to follow traffic rules too.
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Codifying the Idaho stop (allowing cyclists the treat stop signs as a yield) into law would go a long way towards this impression of the lawless cyclists. People driving might not understand because they just have to push a pedal in, but stopping completely and having to regain your momentum from nothing at each stop sign is not reasonable to expect.
Even for surrounding drivers, the Idaho stop would be to your benefit. A cyclist having to regain momentum from a stop would take about 3-5 seconds to cross a normal south city four way stop intersection, versus maybe one second if they are able to pass through. Also imagine being in a car behind me taking the same route and having to wait for me to stop and restart over and over again for no reason. That's how we get angry cars behind us which nobody wants.
Finally, the risk is basically non-existent. Bikes have a much better field of view with no blind spots and can also hear cars approaching the intersection. Bikes also go much slower, can react faster, and don't weigh thousands of pounds. If a bike hits somebody, it might be a scratch or two and some awkwardness. A car? Not so much.
Even for surrounding drivers, the Idaho stop would be to your benefit. A cyclist having to regain momentum from a stop would take about 3-5 seconds to cross a normal south city four way stop intersection, versus maybe one second if they are able to pass through. Also imagine being in a car behind me taking the same route and having to wait for me to stop and restart over and over again for no reason. That's how we get angry cars behind us which nobody wants.
Finally, the risk is basically non-existent. Bikes have a much better field of view with no blind spots and can also hear cars approaching the intersection. Bikes also go much slower, can react faster, and don't weigh thousands of pounds. If a bike hits somebody, it might be a scratch or two and some awkwardness. A car? Not so much.
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That’s because you were walking on the biking path.flipz wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2025I almost got run over by group bike rides in the park a couple of times. I should stage a group walk against bike traffic violence.
Seriously though, I'm for people having that as a legit option for transport but they need to follow traffic rules too.
Anyway, so few people are seriously injured or killed by bicycles each year that we don’t really even collect data on it.
7,142 pedestrians were killed by motorists in 2024
So you do realize like...parks are for everyone right? Bicyclists have just as much right to ride through the park as you do to walk through it. Perhaps consider calming down and realizing that cyclists will never go out of their way to *actually* target and hit you. You aren't a victim here, sorry to let you know.flipz wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2025I almost got run over by group bike rides in the park a couple of times. I should stage a group walk against bike traffic violence.
Seriously though, I'm for people having that as a legit option for transport but they need to follow traffic rule
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In Forest Park people constantly run/walk on the biking/blading/boarding path. If it’s blacktop with a line down the center, it’s not a pedestrian path in Forest Park. Likewise, if you’re a cyclist and you find yourself on a cinder path, you’re on the wrong path
Forest Park is pretty clear in saying that both the "Wheels" and "Heels" dual path is to be shared and is based on preference: https://www.forestparkforever.org/dual-path
Yes ideally there would be a dedicated cycle path, however this would be hard to enforce and there are people of different abilities that need hard surfaces to walk/roll on.
Yes ideally there would be a dedicated cycle path, however this would be hard to enforce and there are people of different abilities that need hard surfaces to walk/roll on.
Nope. It was a "group bike ride" in the park. Probably were drinking too. They took the whole road path in TGP and were passing each other in around the grass. Had to jump out of the way twice. City probably should require these group events to get permits with police presence.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2025That’s because you were walking on the biking path.flipz wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2025I almost got run over by group bike rides in the park a couple of times. I should stage a group walk against bike traffic violence.
Seriously though, I'm for people having that as a legit option for transport but they need to follow traffic rules too.
Anyway, so few people are seriously injured or killed by bicycles each year that we don’t really even collect data on it.
7,142 pedestrians were killed by motorists in 2024
Just cause someone rides a bike doesn't make them a better or more considerate person.