I hoped for a taller office building also, but at least the project is moving forward. maybe the second phase will bring taller buildings.
Who's Excited!!! not me. Were on page 266 on this thread and not one lick of activity on the site.There is plenty of activity on the site. There moving dirt all over the place down there.
^Well, there's grass growing, and cars parking...
As utterly pointless as it is to talk about this latest iteration of Ballpark "Village" renderings, I will still make a few observations. 1) The conceptual site plan is much improved, with no green space and actual thru streets (or so it appears). 2) Nice design for the office "tower", although I think the bleacher seats are stupid - just make it a terraced party deck. 3) Other than the office tower, I still have no idea what areas of that site plan are supposed to be constructed in Phase I, but then I suspect neither do the Cardinals or Cordish.
As utterly pointless as it is to talk about this latest iteration of Ballpark "Village" renderings, I will still make a few observations. 1) The conceptual site plan is much improved, with no green space and actual thru streets (or so it appears). 2) Nice design for the office "tower", although I think the bleacher seats are stupid - just make it a terraced party deck. 3) Other than the office tower, I still have no idea what areas of that site plan are supposed to be constructed in Phase I, but then I suspect neither do the Cardinals or Cordish.
17 stories.....blah....
I had a feeling this development would turn out minaturized and half assed.
I had a feeling this development would turn out minaturized and half assed.
Hey at least it's a good looking building. Given the market, it might as well start off conservative and expand as necessary based on demand and popularity (which I believe will be inevitable once it becomes functional and the general public sees the advantages from a residential, retail, and corporate perspective)
I thought, however, that the backbone of Phase I was going to be an office tower at the corner of Broadway and Clark. The current rendering looks great to me, however that is not where I saw the first tower going.
I thought, however, that the backbone of Phase I was going to be an office tower at the corner of Broadway and Clark. The current rendering looks great to me, however that is not where I saw the first tower going.
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From jlblues post of the layout, it looks like there will be another building to the right of the office building at some point. I hope its the residential building. If they allowed people to put a deposit down on residential units, I bet they would get quite a few reserved ones.
You missed Fuego/Tengo Sed Cantina just to the west.DeBaliviere wrote:I paused my DVR to see if I could make out any of the tenants on the site plan they briefly flashed on the screen. The only one I could make out was Flying Saucer Draught Emporium. Lame.
I'd suggest that the location of any non-speculative office building will always be determined by the largest tenant, not the developer. In other words, that's the view Stifel wants, and the rest of Ballpark "Village" will just have to be laid out as best as it can be around that.Blzhrpmd2 wrote:I thought, however, that the backbone of Phase I was going to be an office tower at the corner of Broadway and Clark. The current rendering looks great to me, however that is not where I saw the first tower going.
I know it's a nice looking building and all, but I'm a little disapointed that it won't even break 300 feet.
the bowling pin on the rendering probably represents a Lucky Strike bowling Alley. The KC Power and Light and the Fourth Street Live in Louisville each have one.
As for the "bar mall", I think that is a pretty accurate assessment of what we are going to get. The other businesses/districts around town better start making some contingency plans, because if Kansas City is any guide they are going to suffer a serious drop in revenue.
As for the "bar mall", I think that is a pretty accurate assessment of what we are going to get. The other businesses/districts around town better start making some contingency plans, because if Kansas City is any guide they are going to suffer a serious drop in revenue.
jlblues wrote:^How disappointed will you be if it doesn't break 0 feet?
I could care less at this point. I knew this development would turn out like this. It always does here.
What does any of this have to do with BPV??? I keep checking to see what the new comments are but it's been the same BS for the last 4 days about the proper use of the term "couldn't care less"... I couldn't care less about it....
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The folks over at InsideSTL.com took a field trip to Ballpark Village today. Here is a link to current pics of the site and their story!
http://www.insidestl.com/STLCardinals/t ... llage.aspx
http://www.insidestl.com/STLCardinals/t ... llage.aspx
When I saw this come up I was hoping there would be some good news, but its just the same old stuff. 
I wish people expended as much energy on finding ways to better the city as they did on mocking. Hopefully we can find other means to show the nation some pluses to our city. The economy is no small excuse as to why this project is stalled (not the only reason and I am not pardoning the jerks that let it get this far).
Let's not ourselves have the blinders on left field but realize that hundreds of thousands will be in hotels in downtown, CWE, Clayton, and the entire metro. Putting our best foot forward in other areas will help compensate.
Instead of coming up with defensive answers to the visitors regarding one plot of land, let's be ready with enthusiastic suggestions for other things they can do while here, other parts of town to check out if "they" find downtown not to their liking. Most on this forum seem to be proponents that no one project should make or break a neighborhood, district, or city. By fixating on the BPV issue, aren't we enabling the contrary?
When the All-Star game was in Detroit, was it a massive failure despite a lack of ultra-urban amenities?
Let's not ourselves have the blinders on left field but realize that hundreds of thousands will be in hotels in downtown, CWE, Clayton, and the entire metro. Putting our best foot forward in other areas will help compensate.
Instead of coming up with defensive answers to the visitors regarding one plot of land, let's be ready with enthusiastic suggestions for other things they can do while here, other parts of town to check out if "they" find downtown not to their liking. Most on this forum seem to be proponents that no one project should make or break a neighborhood, district, or city. By fixating on the BPV issue, aren't we enabling the contrary?
When the All-Star game was in Detroit, was it a massive failure despite a lack of ultra-urban amenities?
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One of the last news reports I read about this was that construction was supposed to begin after the first of the new year. This was reported back in September-October.
Soo......
Any word on if anything will begin? I'm beyond disappointment at the moment.
Soo......
Any word on if anything will begin? I'm beyond disappointment at the moment.
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^ The Cardinals also said they would make some moves in the off season... Unreal how mismanaged this operation is.
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well now that Brian Fuentes - their "top priority" - has signed with another team they'll have time to devote towards the BPV
I don't think mismanaged is a fair word, for one thing. Who has knowledge of all the inner workings of this project to make a blanket statement. I think a fair statment, unfortunately for the region, is that Cordish is pursuing this project to maximize its own profit as in all its deals. In this case, since they don't own the land, have ties to St. Lou and have locked in DeWitt, can sit on their bottom and work out the best deals. Building without tenant committments would certainly reduce profits and hastily signing tenants agreements without getting a maximum return on premium real estate is also good way pass up profits.
I have a different take that things might or might no move quickly this winter. I think they will move quickly since the mayor election and new govenor will change things if deals are not finalized. Starting over on TIFS and Tax credits would be a huge a gamble on Cordish and DeWitt's part. The process has started and can't be changed by new politics unless they start over again.
I have a different take that things might or might no move quickly this winter. I think they will move quickly since the mayor election and new govenor will change things if deals are not finalized. Starting over on TIFS and Tax credits would be a huge a gamble on Cordish and DeWitt's part. The process has started and can't be changed by new politics unless they start over again.
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Maybe the BPV delay is a good thing!
Kansas City, Mo.
The souring economy is likely to add fuel to the debate over how far Kansas City should go to woo development. The city said Cordish Cos. of Baltimore has met its contractual obligations with the city to deliver its Kansas City Power & Light District, a retail and entertainment project credited by some with helping revitalize the downtown.
Cordish said it has delivered roughly 600,000 square feet of retail, which is now about 70% occupied. But lower-than-projected retail sales per square foot and later-than-expected openings in nonrestaurant retail mean sales-tax revenue from the project will fall short of what is needed to cover the debt service on the city bonds issued to help pay for the district's development, according to Troy Schulte, the city's budget officer. The city expects to have to cover a $4 million budget gap on the project's debt service for the year ending April 30.
David Cordish, chairman of Cordish, acknowledges that fashion-type retailers have been hit harder than entertainment retail but maintains the project has met its contractual obligations, is a success and that more retail is still on tap, including a grocery store set to officially open in January.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230675 ... s&ru=yahoo
EFFF having one giant project as "Downtowns saving grace".... Let's forget BPV, divide the land into parcels, and sell them off to the highest bidder!
Kansas City, Mo.
The souring economy is likely to add fuel to the debate over how far Kansas City should go to woo development. The city said Cordish Cos. of Baltimore has met its contractual obligations with the city to deliver its Kansas City Power & Light District, a retail and entertainment project credited by some with helping revitalize the downtown.
Cordish said it has delivered roughly 600,000 square feet of retail, which is now about 70% occupied. But lower-than-projected retail sales per square foot and later-than-expected openings in nonrestaurant retail mean sales-tax revenue from the project will fall short of what is needed to cover the debt service on the city bonds issued to help pay for the district's development, according to Troy Schulte, the city's budget officer. The city expects to have to cover a $4 million budget gap on the project's debt service for the year ending April 30.
David Cordish, chairman of Cordish, acknowledges that fashion-type retailers have been hit harder than entertainment retail but maintains the project has met its contractual obligations, is a success and that more retail is still on tap, including a grocery store set to officially open in January.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230675 ... s&ru=yahoo
EFFF having one giant project as "Downtowns saving grace".... Let's forget BPV, divide the land into parcels, and sell them off to the highest bidder!