Ballpark Village

jstriebel · PostNov 17, 2013#9162013-11-17T20:39+00:00

FWIW,

I just noticed that on the Ballpark Village website (stlballparkvillage.com), which has been updated recently despite still being done in flash for some reason, there actually are renderings from Phase 2, and they include office space and residential.

dredger · PostNov 17, 2013#9172013-11-17T21:49+00:00

^ Unless I'm missing it, the renderings of a office/room balcony overlooking Busch Stadium for phase II seems pretty generic. Was hoping for something that offered at least what their vision was going to be.

wabash · PostNov 17, 2013#9182013-11-17T22:22+00:00

Here are the "renderings" for Phase 2, which I'm not really sure count as renderings as they are just the views from generic interior and balcony spaces (as dredger noted). Really it's just renderings of Busch Stadium with windows placed in front of it.
Residential:

Office:

Balcony:

This is a funny one because they've ignored the fact that Phase 1 would be smack in the middle of this view, blocking the sidewalk, street and much of center field:

jstriebel · PostNov 17, 2013#9192013-11-17T22:28+00:00

My fault. I didn't mean to oversell it.

I just meant it's promising that residential and office space is clearly still a priority for phase 2.

quincunx · PostNov 18, 2013#9202013-11-18T17:54+00:00

Really?

Stl BJ - Ballpark Village promises to be game changer

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... -game.html

vpr611 · PostNov 18, 2013#9212013-11-18T19:21+00:00

Did anyone notice that Pujols is on the TV in the living room? I have a feeling these were from their archives, and needed to dust something off to show to the public. Hopefully someone will take interest in this though and actually follow through.

stladvocate · PostNov 18, 2013#9222013-11-18T19:52+00:00

quincunx wrote:Really?

Stl BJ - Ballpark Village promises to be game changer

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... -game.html

That is actually Waino closing out the 2006 World Series.

vpr611 · PostNov 18, 2013#9232013-11-18T20:35+00:00

I stand corrected, I took a closer look and you are right. Still a disappointment that no news accompanied the Phase 2 renderings, fingers crossed that we will get some big news before opening day.

innov8ion · PostNov 18, 2013#9242013-11-18T20:58+00:00

jstriebel wrote:FWIW,

I just noticed that on the Ballpark Village website (stlballparkvillage.com), which has been updated recently despite still being done in flash for some reason, there actually are renderings from Phase 2, and they include office space and residential.

They must not want readers to view their plans on mobile devices. For shame.

Chalupas54 · PostNov 18, 2013#9252013-11-18T21:28+00:00

wabash wrote:Here are the "renderings" for Phase 2, which I'm not really sure count as renderings as they are just the views from generic interior and balcony spaces (as dredger noted). Really it's just renderings of Busch Stadium with windows placed in front of it.
Residential:

Oh my God. How is that furniture standing still? That's a steep angle.

arch city · PostNov 18, 2013#9262013-11-18T21:38+00:00

Which one will Phase II be? Or will it be something totally different? My guess is yes.

However, I prefer the third rendering.

gone corporate · PostNov 18, 2013#9272013-11-18T21:54+00:00

The updated website includes the following:

Future phases will include office, residential, and hotel as well as more retail.

And

Office space will be developed in future phases with over 750,000 square feet.

And

Ballpark Village will over luxury residential units overlooking Busch Stadium in future phases.

Note the overhead rendering involving the Metrolink TOD being finalized. This rendering includes three office towers along Walnut; hotel space at 8th & Clark; and residential at Clark & Broadway, all of which would seem to match the Phase Two renderings on the site.

Westminster · PostNov 19, 2013#9282013-11-19T03:58+00:00

Re: the Business Journal article

When writers from The Boston Globe were in St. Louis for the World Series against the Cardinals, they reported that they had a hard time finding something to do downtown after touring the Gateway Arch and Anheuser-Busch Brewery — they wound up at Cafe Napoli in suburban Clayton.

it baffles me that the Globe writers couldn't find anything else to do downtown. I think this speaks to how important projects like CityArchRiver are for tying downtown together.

Downtown has a lot of vibrancy, and BPV could play a part in creating more of that vibrancy around the stadium, but the key has to be connecting it all together. We have to stop thinking of individual projects like BPV as downtown's savior - as if downtown was desperate for a savior.

wabash · PostNov 19, 2013#9292013-11-19T06:27+00:00

^I think it says more about Globe writers than it does about Downtown St. Louis. They're in St. Louis for the World Series and the coolest thing they can find to do is Cafe Napoli in Clayton? Wow.

pat · PostNov 19, 2013#9302013-11-19T14:13+00:00

^I tend to agree. I would assume that they stayed at the Ballpark Hilton or somewhere near by. Walking a couple blocks or just talking to a person in the lobby would have pointed them to Washington Ave., Soulard, Lafayette Square, etc.

I think what will be good about Ballpark Village is that it will help fill in the gaps in downtown and connect areas/streets. 7th St is pretty vibrant from Washington up to about Pine. With Ballpark Village, hopefully the retail we see there and on Washington can continue down 7th and connect to Clark. It would help those two ends of downtown kind of come together.

jstriebel · PostNov 19, 2013#9312013-11-19T20:47+00:00

I'm not so sure they did stay downtown, though I didn't read their articles. I noted a lot of writers tweeting during the world series about taking cabs to the stadium. No reason to do so if you're staying downtown.

dweebe · PostNov 19, 2013#9322013-11-19T20:55+00:00

wabash wrote:^I think it says more about Globe writers than it does about Downtown St. Louis. They're in St. Louis for the World Series and the coolest thing they can find to do is Cafe Napoli in Clayton? Wow.

Cafe Napoli is prime hunting grounds for Cardinal and other players to meet "jersey chasers". That's where they probably got their info from.

moorlander · PostNov 19, 2013#9332013-11-19T22:02+00:00

Yep. Napoli draws a lot of talent.

dweebe · PostNov 19, 2013#9342013-11-19T22:06+00:00

moorlander wrote:Yep. Napoli draws a lot of talent.

It's where Josh Hancock was heading when he crashed his car.

PostNov 19, 2013#9352013-11-19T22:08+00:00

Supposedly the Braves' new ballpark will have even less parking.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/11/1 ... ng-spaces/

downtown2007 · PostNov 19, 2013#9362013-11-19T22:12+00:00

jstriebel wrote:I'm not so sure they did stay downtown, though I didn't read their articles. I noted a lot of writers tweeting during the world series about taking cabs to the stadium. No reason to do so if you're staying downtown.

Some take cabs if they stay at the Four Seasons.

roger wyoming II · PostDec 13, 2013#9372013-12-13T16:23+00:00

So Fox Sports Midwest will have a studio at BPV for Cards and Blues games and will be the sponsor for the Live venue.... Cordish says 300 or so events and people will be done there 52 weeks of the year.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... d5cff.html

Aside from the parking lot/grid issue, Phase I seems like it has a promising future for at least a seasonal entertainment hub.... still not sure on how much the Cards/Bud/Cowboy Bar will draw off-season even with planned events but I'm hopeful it will draw families from the burbs who otherwise wouldn't come downtown non-gameday.

pat · PostDec 13, 2013#9382013-12-13T16:42+00:00

^I think they will find out very quickly after this opens that the venues will be dead when there are no games. We can all see that now with Paddy O's and others. And that concrete proof might be a good thing. It'll be pretty obvious to them then that they need another component to Ballpark Village, whether it be residential, office space, or hotel.

roger wyoming II · PostDec 13, 2013#9392013-12-13T17:02+00:00

^ BPV is a much different demographic than Paddy O's, etc. and I think I'm more optimistic on this doing well from April through October non-gameday.... I can see this being pretty popular with tourists and families in-season.... for example enjoying the Arch and/or Citygarden and then moseying on over for lunch or dinner and Cardinals HOF... and maybe an event at BPV. And I think the Cards themed restaurant/bar essentially will be an ESPN Zone that should have some decent sports bar traffic.

But I just don't know if downtown has the numbers during the Nov-March cold season for it to be robust without more surrounding activity as you say.

arch city · PostDec 13, 2013#9402013-12-13T19:41+00:00

Rendering of Fox Sports Midwest

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