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"Drunken Fish is currently in talks to open another location in Ballpark Village and is eyeing another Kansas City outpost."
- Drunken Fish General Manager via RFT's Gut Check today.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... ersary.php

deformative wrote:"Drunken Fish is currently in talks to open another location in Ballpark Village and is eyeing another Kansas City outpost."
- Drunken Fish General Manager via RFT's Gut Check today.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... ersary.php

That would probably be the death kneel for the landing location.

goat314 wrote:

deformative wrote:"Drunken Fish is currently in talks to open another location in Ballpark Village and is eyeing another Kansas City outpost."
- Drunken Fish General Manager via RFT's Gut Check today.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... ersary.php

That would probably be the death kneel for the landing location.

They could move locations from the Landing to BPV.

innov8ion wrote:

goat314 wrote:

deformative wrote:"Drunken Fish is currently in talks to open another location in Ballpark Village and is eyeing another Kansas City outpost."
- Drunken Fish General Manager via RFT's Gut Check today.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... ersary.php

That would probably be the death kneel for the landing location.

They could move locations from the Landing to BPV.

How much space is left in phase I?

Unlike many others I'm pretty optimistic about the development of this project. I think we will see future phases sooner than we think. I also think there are more retailers and restaurants interested in this project than most of us realize. I would like to see cordish and the cardinals really market residential at the site, the size of the residential component should be determined by pre-lease and sales.

I'm with you, goat.

I know there's a lot of disappointment that Phase I is what it is and is surrounded by parking, but I think there's a lot underestimating going to how important having Phase I on the way and/or finished is/will be to attracting the businesses that will fill future phases.

And yes, I hope residential will be part of those phases as well.

I think ultimately there will be enough for both, but right now one may jump ahead, and it could be BPV. Laclede's Landing will benefit from the CAR project, removal of elevated 70, and any potential stadium development on the river front (which Bryan Burwell and Bernie Miklasz both seem to be anticipating).

Sounds weird to say that BPV has a head start on anything, but it does. But once the above things start taking shape, development could be spurred on the landing. That'd be my guess anyways.

The Landing will be benefiting from the following:
- First Street and Second Street streetscape projects (from Wash Ave to Laclede's Landing blvd (construction to begin in October)
- Third Street Streetscape project (construction to begin early next year)
- Drury Site Development (construction unknown, but beyond planning stages)
- CityArchRiver projects (Arch grounds, Under-the-Highway Enhancements, LK Sullivan improvements)
- GRG property development (in planning stages)

The streetscape projects combined with the CAR projects will significantly boost the Landing's marketability and spur new development within the District.

gone corporate wrote:Goat: I also see strong demand by retailers like Drunken Fish wanting to locate here, as this could very well become the hottest place for local restaurants to want to locate high-volume locations. They'll all want the draw of the Redbirds to bring crowds with disposable income.

I'd be curious to know how Maurizio's is doing now that it's moved off Olive and closer to Busch Stadium. Comparing green apples and Red Deliciouses, I know, since it's located in a parking garage three blocks away, but it could be a good guide as to how a small, local business is accepted and visited by the Cardinals crowds. If I were one for guessing (which, as luck would have it, I am!), I'd think the move has been a lateral one at best. The Washington Avenue crowds are year-round, as opposed to 90 or so home games at the stadium.

Presbyterian wrote:It sounds to me like Ballpark Village will be going head-to-head with Laclede's Landing for the "entertainment district" crowd. That doesn't bode well for the Landing... which is looking shabby and neglected already.

From what I've personally heard and gathered from the recent TOD study, Laclede's Landing is going to transition from a entertainment district to a functioning riverfront neighborhood. Some of the properties have even seen developer interest in rehabbing them into residential , we could also see infill on the Landing sooner than later. Apparently, there is an untapped riverfront/archview housing market in St. Louis (who knew ) and there are some big developers (like Drury) wanting to cash in on CAR2015 and the big TOD push.

The Landing could easily be THE coolest place to live in St. Louis if it were just developed more and didn't try to market itself as a tourist destination so much. There are some things it will probably never have, like a grocery store, to make it into a complete and perfect neighborhood, but the rest of Downtown is just across the highway so it really isn't as issue anyway. It's just a really great location geographically.

Glad to hear they're progressing. I, for one, remain excited about this project.

I've left my frustrations about the setbacks in the past and look forward to the opening of Phase I. I believe it will be successful. And then I expect grander development to follow.

Well, I meant grander than the Phase I development, not grander than the surrounding parking lot.

But I do understand where you're coming from. I think there's balance to be had between figuring out how to avoid these developmental setbacks in the future and being so upset over them that we fail to appreciate what will be a nice addition to the city with plenty of potential still left.

I understand that we don't want this giant parking lot, and this project shouldn't have come to this point. But there's no finality to this project right now. That parking lot won't be there for long. And if it is, then I'll pick up my pitchfork.

I'm not particularly concerned about the loss of the bowling HOF, though. I know we have some strong bowling history here, but I can't muster too much frustration over that. Maybe that's ignorant, though.

In any case, I think we're seeing more critical media coverage, but I agree with you that we need more. But critical and angry are different. We should be asking questions and demanding answers. But that's different from complaining.

Latest photos.









Below, plumbing pipes for future phases now buried beneath the temporary parking lot.

In the Business Journal article Chase Martin, developer of BPV for Cordish, says the parking spots are temporary.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... lpark.html

"Martin said the 620 parking spaces now blanketing a good portion of the site are temporary. He said infrastructure underneath the parking lot, including plumbing, is ready for new buildings."