How do you come to the determination that it’s the busiest district in the region and that more people will visit on non game days? I mean that last claim seems somewhat obvious given that only 20% of days are game days.
If I am reading the numbers above correctly, City Foundry and Union Station are busier. Anecdotally the wife and I have taken our kid to Katies Pizza a few times on non game days and it is very dead.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2025That’s literally not true. It’s the busiest district in the entire region. Revenue at ballpark village is +25% this year vs last year through June. It’s wild how some of you make definite statements out of thin airdelmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2025Outside of game days, there just isn’t a soul down there. And even at that, not enough people hang around downtown before and after games. I didn’t think their Brentwood location was great, but it shows you how dead BPV is unfortunately
More people will visit BPV on non game days this year than game days
Union Station
2024 33,920,096
2025 35,231,600 +1,311,504 +3.8%
Ballpark Village
2024 22,607,356
2025 28,283,976 +5,676,620 +25%
City Foundry
2024 27,080,367
2025 28,782,948 +1,702,581 +6.2%
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I just walked by Katie’s 35 seconds ago and patio and dining room are packed. Same at Clark and Bourbon and salt and smoke
Taco place 10 tables
Poke place 3 tables
Sport & social about 75% full
People also need to remember the high volume
of delivery these places do post covid, we eaten at the taco place once but have had it almost 10 times since it opened
Taco place 10 tables
Poke place 3 tables
Sport & social about 75% full
People also need to remember the high volume
of delivery these places do post covid, we eaten at the taco place once but have had it almost 10 times since it opened
Also, positive he isn’t staying til end of February
It certainly felt like a bold move to take up premium retail space off of a regional apparel company. Something most keep online.
The STL patriots down at STLstyle have the model down.
The STL patriots down at STLstyle have the model down.
There's also Series 6
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I think this is largely another case of a failing operation just blaming downtown/BPV to cope. For example, saying Cordish's sales pitch is "misleading" because your business is failing despite the activity is just, like I said, cope. You are a business, Cordish is a business, they made business moves to secure tenants, you didn't do your due diligence before expanding your brick and mortar stores. Now you're failing. It would be one thing if a bunch of BPV businesses were failing, but the only two I can think of are Starbucks and this. Antie Anne's opened relatively recently and AFAIK all the restaurants are doing fine too. Baseballism has also stayed around, along with the New Era store.
The reality is that rent is expensive, your product is a niche that doesn't appeal to a disproportionately tourist crowd, and the STL attire market is pretty competitive- the Cardinals team store is literally across the street.
It sucks that its gone, but it isn't surprising, and I doubt they will be able to fill the space quickly. What sucks even more is that he decided to burn bridges on his way out and make it about BPV instead of his own mismanagement.
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I think this is largely another case of a failing operation just blaming downtown/BPV to cope. For example, saying Cordish's sales pitch is "misleading" because your business is failing despite the activity is just, like I said, cope. You are a business, Cordish is a business, they made business moves to secure tenants, you didn't do your due diligence before expanding your brick and mortar stores. Now you're failing. It would be one thing if a bunch of BPV businesses were failing, but the only two I can think of are Starbucks and this. Antie Anne's opened relatively recently and AFAIK all the restaurants are doing fine too. Baseballism has also stayed around, along with the New Era store.
The reality is that rent is expensive, your product is a niche that doesn't appeal to a disproportionately tourist crowd, and the STL attire market is pretty competitive- the Cardinals team store is literally across the street.
It sucks that its gone, but it isn't surprising, and I doubt they will be able to fill the space quickly. What sucks even more is that he decided to burn bridges on his way out and make it about BPV instead of his own mismanagement.
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I wouldn't say its "dead" (although certainly not hopping either), I've been down there on cold winters weekends and between the Arch and the stadium era it is relatively steady. Downtown north of Market is in much worse shape. Until the Millennium Hotel plan gets followed through however it feels in purgatory. BPV phase 2 has gone as far as it can and needs a shot in the arm. Novelty businesses like merch are especially up against it as they are reliant on seasonal and event based trade.
They really need to ensure parking is part of any future plans even if it is built in like OCW or the light towers in KC (starting to think the plans are merely talk). As much as I hate dedicated space to parking, Downtown's brand is sadly toxic and people are stuck in the stereotypical view they are going to be shot or robbed walking across the street to their car and they are attracted by that on site safety.
They really need to ensure parking is part of any future plans even if it is built in like OCW or the light towers in KC (starting to think the plans are merely talk). As much as I hate dedicated space to parking, Downtown's brand is sadly toxic and people are stuck in the stereotypical view they are going to be shot or robbed walking across the street to their car and they are attracted by that on site safety.
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Its invite only unfortunately but BPV will be hosting a downtown centric event honoring some of the people working to make it better on Wednesday the 19th
Honorees:
Bi-State Development
Explore St. Louis
Gateway Arch Park Foundation
Gomel Capital Partners
Great Rivers Greenway
Greater St. Louis, Inc.
Jerry Schlichter
Lawrence Group
New + Found
PGAV
St. Louis Development Corporation
Urban Land Institute
14th Ward Alderman Rasheen Aldridge
8th Ward Alderwoman Jami Cox Antwi
Mayor Cara Spencer
Board of Aldermen President Megan Green
LHM (conflict and won't be able to attend)
Honorees:
Bi-State Development
Explore St. Louis
Gateway Arch Park Foundation
Gomel Capital Partners
Great Rivers Greenway
Greater St. Louis, Inc.
Jerry Schlichter
Lawrence Group
New + Found
PGAV
St. Louis Development Corporation
Urban Land Institute
14th Ward Alderman Rasheen Aldridge
8th Ward Alderwoman Jami Cox Antwi
Mayor Cara Spencer
Board of Aldermen President Megan Green
LHM (conflict and won't be able to attend)
PGAV seems like an outlier, is there some downtown/city project they have a large part in that I'm unaware of?
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^Weren't they pretty closely involved with LHM in the Union Station redevelopment?
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They were involved with Ballpark Village directly.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Nov 17, 2025^Weren't they pretty closely involved with LHM in the Union Station redevelopment?
https://www.pgavplanners.com/ballpark-village
As a company, they have the most pro-downtown staff. There isn't a public or private project they haven't weighed in on and I would bet there are multiple PGAV planners on this forum (hi!). Their attractions team is/was involved in Union Station. I think their name is somewhere on the Convention Center, Ballpark Village, Arch grounds.
Got it, thanks!addxb2 wrote: ↑Nov 17, 2025As a company, they have the most pro-downtown staff. There isn't a public or private project they haven't weighed in on and I would bet there are multiple PGAV planners on this forum (hi!). Their attractions team is/was involved in Union Station. I think their name is somewhere on the Convention Center, Ballpark Village, Arch grounds.
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They did the Cardinals HOF Museum at BPV and Aquarium at US. Also had a hand in the new Arch Museum IIRC.
Very pro-STL company.
Very pro-STL company.
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Severe lack of local corporate presence.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 17, 2025Its invite only unfortunately but BPV will be hosting a downtown centric event honoring some of the people working to make it better on Wednesday the 19th
Honorees:
Bi-State Development
Explore St. Louis
Gateway Arch Park Foundation
Gomel Capital Partners
Great Rivers Greenway
Greater St. Louis, Inc.
Jerry Schlichter
Lawrence Group
New + Found
PGAV
St. Louis Development Corporation
Urban Land Institute
14th Ward Alderman Rasheen Aldridge
8th Ward Alderwoman Jami Cox Antwi
Mayor Cara Spencer
Board of Aldermen President Megan Green
LHM (conflict and won't be able to attend)
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Should someone be honored for simply having a biz downtown? List would have had 2,600 honorees and this is only a 3 hour event, not 19 days
Honoring the legislators who represent the area seems silly. I mean, it's their job as elected officials to make downtown better. But, I guess it's a pretty affordable way to grease those palms.
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part of it is also to get them in the same room as a lot of these people in a more causal environment. good things happen when people share a drink and some bites. the PR firm that put this together is very good at its jobTim wrote: ↑Nov 19, 2025Honoring the legislators who represent the area seems silly. I mean, it's their job as elected officials to make downtown better. But, I guess it's a pretty affordable way to grease those palms.
Seems like you could invite them, without them being honorees. Given the number of movers and shakers in the room, seems like they might show up anyways. The "honor" seems like overkill. "Thanks for doing the job you were elected to do."dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 19, 2025part of it is also to get them in the same room as a lot of these people in a more causal environment. good things happen when people share a drink and some bites. the PR firm that put this together is very good at its jobTim wrote: ↑Nov 19, 2025Honoring the legislators who represent the area seems silly. I mean, it's their job as elected officials to make downtown better. But, I guess it's a pretty affordable way to grease those palms.
I'm not actually that offended by it. I just think it's a little funny.
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delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote:
Large gold glove coming to top of the Westport tower…This would be so iconic for downtown…I just can’t get over this not being in BPV or by the stadium. This would’ve become another icon in St. Louis for people coming into the city, instead it will be at the top of an office building in Maryland Heights
Shame
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Pretty damn cool. The “Westport skyline”…what a shame this old StL company did this type of brand promotion and experiences out there. Represents everything wrong with our mindset
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I thought this ended up at WP because Cardinals refused to come down on rent
I didn't see a Busch Stadium thread, mods feel free to move, but I'm sure most of you saw BDWIII's comments at Winter Warm Up about Busch III upgrades?
Curious to see the proposals and what elements they would be looking to upgrade.
Curious to see the proposals and what elements they would be looking to upgrade.
The stadium needs new elevators, new escalators, and the lower bowl will be re-poured to fix the drainage, meaning there will be new seats as well. Those three I'm pretty sure will be a part of the upgrades.pdm_ad wrote:I didn't see a Busch Stadium thread, mods feel free to move, but I'm sure most of you saw BDWIII's comments at Winter Warm Up about Busch III upgrades?
Curious to see the proposals and what elements they would be looking to upgrade.
If I were in charge, I'd also make the 2nd floor enclosed so it can be air controlled.
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