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I don't see that property as a threat but more a complimentary piece to BPV. The Village and stadium should not be an island but a piece of growing neighborhood. A successfully redeveloped Shannon's property will only support what's being planned in the village. I hope the Dewitt's see it that way.

The Aldermen have met today to discuss and debate the next Phase and it is supposed to pass or it has passed already


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According to the tweets they want 16m more in public money.

How much funding did they get in the first phase?

I believe that the city could pass a law declaring no height restrictions in that zone. Law overrides contracts.


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gary kreie wrote:I believe that the city could pass a law declaring no height restrictions in that zone. Law overrides contracts.
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Mike Shannon would have to bring that idea to the City. That's the only way he would be able to see his building, Plus, if there are going to be towers filling in the remaining parts of the site, a taller building could go where Mike Shannon's currently is because it wouldn't be effecting anything.

2 new renderings have been released on phase2.stlballparkvillage.com

They show a new view looking down Clark and a helicopter view with an idea what we may get in Phase 3 or so. The Phase 3 or so buildings appear to be bases for towers like the leaked rendering of the tower that isn't going to be built this time. Interesting stuff



The interesting thing is that there will be a swimming pool at the office building which confirms the hotel that will be involved in the block. Renderings to not reveal though what hotel company will operate the hotel.

^ or maybe the said screw the ping pong table and went all in with the pool, fitness room

I guess it is office space on the first floors and then hotel on the rest or part? From the rendering it seems an odd layout & trying to comprehend what space for the upper floor & courtyard shaped layout

This may be a very long term goal, but once BPV reaches buildout, I would like to see at least one of the massive garages torn down. They are outdated, ugly, and falling apart. They also have a horrible street presence. A more modern garage(s) could be rebuilt more appropriately adjacent to the highway south of Spruce. Why waste the good real estate on parking when you can park next to the noisy highway where nobody wants to build anything else?

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:This may be a very long term goal, but once BPV reaches buildout, I would like to see at least one of the massive garages torn down. They are outdated, ugly, and falling apart. They also have a horrible street presence. A more modern garage(s) could be rebuilt more appropriately adjacent to the highway south of Spruce. Why waste the good real estate on parking when you can park next to the noisy highway where nobody wants to build anything else?

I think the two garages just need to be renovated to include street level retail and a new look.


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chriss752 wrote:

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:This may be a very long term goal, but once BPV reaches buildout, I would like to see at least one of the massive garages torn down. They are outdated, ugly, and falling apart. They also have a horrible street presence. A more modern garage(s) could be rebuilt more appropriately adjacent to the highway south of Spruce. Why waste the good real estate on parking when you can park next to the noisy highway where nobody wants to build anything else?

I think the two garages just need to be renovated to include street level retail and a new look.


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i think they need to be blown the sh*t up.

The first new rendering above shows a different apartment tower - closer to 24-25 stories tops - than the second rendering and previous renderings, which had/have the tower at 29 stories.

wabash wrote:The first new rendering above shows a different apartment tower - closer to 24-25 stories tops - than the second rendering and previous renderings, which had/have the tower at 29 stories.

I have to admit, the first rendering is terrible. They took the Flyover view from google maps or Apple maps and added in buildings.


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Really shows that deed restriction for Shannon's property is really useless with all the development that's going to occur here. No reason why they should be enforced now

chriss752 wrote:2 new renderings have been released on phase2.stlballparkvillage.com

They show a new view looking down Clark and a helicopter view with an idea what we may get in Phase 3 or so. The Phase 3 or so buildings appear to be bases for towers like the leaked rendering of the tower that isn't going to be built this time. Interesting stuff



The interesting thing is that there will be a swimming pool at the office building which confirms the hotel that will be involved in the block. Renderings to not reveal though what hotel company will operate the hotel.

Is it just me or does it look like 8th Street between Walnut and Clark is no longer there?

It appears it is gone. Maybe it is a mistake


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I'm guessing it's a trick of perspective, and possibly a slight error in the rendering. The new artwork more or less matches the site plans released last month, and seems to almost exactly match the previous renderings, though from a new vantage. 8th takes a pretty significant jog to the west there, which I believe is at least in part an artifact of a realignment for the previous Busch Stadium. If the centerline continued in a straight line immediately west of the current stadium it would enter the parking lots. The s curve is mostly obscured by the stands in that picture, so you might erroneously believe it parallels the line of the curtain wall. It does so only for about the southern two thirds of the block. It's not inconceivable to me that they might plan to narrow the street, but I don't see why they should wish to cut access to their ballpark from the north. If the rendering gets the street width wrong that might further compound the problem. But all the site plans have shown 8th intact, so I trust that remains the intention.

The tower's don't match.

And yeah, the scaling seems to be a bit off on the west side, gobbling up most of 8th. Probably just sloppiness.

Like Chris said, the first rendering (of those two) is just plain bad.

The website that had the pictures has been updated to not show those 2 new renderings


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Renderings are on this slideshow in Yesterday's BJ article.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rings.html

moorlander wrote:Renderings are on this slideshow in Yesterday's BJ article.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rings.html

Interesting. That was now 2 days ago, so they renderings must have been scrapped on the website somewhere in between. What are the Cardinals and Cordish companies hiding? No swimming pool on the Office Block? Or could they be making better renderings with better views


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