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PostJun 05, 2008#76

Some interpretations and analysis on some of the major points brought up:
goat314 wrote:This is going to be pretty devastating if this goes down. It is largely the fault of St. Louis though, because between city earnings taxes and a slew of other stupid sh*t this city does, who can prevent companies from being ate up or moving away. Lets face it this city and state are behind the times and operates like a city of the stone age. If those other major corporations leaving the area didn't change anything, hopefully if we lose Busch people will get a chance to step back and make some serious policy changes in this region. If we don't change with the times, its only a matter of time before the St. Louis metro starts losing population. Look at what is happening in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Detroit. It looks like we are next in line.
Fault of the City? No. There is no “fault”; this is speculation on an acquisition of a publicly-traded company, and unfounded speculation at that. Otherwise, I agree with assessments with reliance upon sustainable income streams and the need to diversify revenue sources.



Further: Let’s end now speculation that InBev, should they acquire the site, will shutter the doors on Lynch Street. There is way too much invested capital in here, especially talent pools, facilities operations, and the cleanest water in the country, the same water that Pepsi sells as Aquafina.
bonwich wrote:Law of unintended (well, at least we think they're unintended) consequences: Ever since the BofA flim-flammed the City by giving back options-exercise earnings taxes, the City has lost millions when companies have been bought out and options were exercised (Nestle, the banks). And this one will be the granddaddy of them all, with hundreds of millions in options exercise not being subject to the tax.
Yes, but option strikes aren’t triggered until that future date. Until then, these are non-events and non-assured revenues. If the City could extend its taxation reaches under the guise of Earnings Taxation into option strikes, then I would think it harder to locate corporate HQs in the City than ever before.



EDIT: I defer comment to those with better knowledge on the subject.
innov8ion wrote:Since May 19th, BUD has increased from 50.55 to 57.46 at closing on May 30th. That's a phenomenal 13.7% gain in only 9 trading sessions. No matter what August Busch IV says, this means that the market is confident of a BUD/INBEV merger.



What's the point in fighting off a buyout now?
Wrong. An increase in traded stock valuation in potential anticipation of acquisition does not mean a buyout will occur, nor market confidence that it will occur. It is both an anticipatory hedging and profit-taking from the sheep.



EVERYONE: Why does InBev want BUD?

To gain market share in the US, a supersaturated and mature market? No.

For footholds into international markets/ Yes.

To leverage superior brand awareness? Yes.



Will BUD fight them all the way? You bet your ass.

What will InBev do? Pass on Bud and acquire Coors/Miller when enough financing is in order. You think they have all these billions just sitting around with a banker ready to make big allocations of capital, in these global markets? Nope, cash is king, and the King of Beers is very expensive. Miller, I believe, is a more likely takeover target compared to BUD.



This whole thing is, I bet, a ruse to mislead potential rival bids from established Private Equity groups, especially those fueled by Sovereign Wealth Funds, such as Blackstone and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts.

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Just a matter of time now...


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A bid by Belgium's InBev NV (INTB.BR: Quote, Profile, Research) for Anheuser-Busch Cos (BUD.N: Quote, Profile, Research) at $65 a share would be reasonable, and a takeover would boost the Budweiser beer maker's sluggish growth, Anheuser shareholders told Reuters.



"I don't think $65 is a bad price because if the company stayed the way it is now, it certainly would be, on average, two years before the stock reaches that level on a sustained basis," said Stephen Jarislowsky, chairman and CEO of Canada's Jarislowsky, Fraser Ltd, which owned 1.7 million Anheuser shares as of March 31.



Anheuser shares rose as much as 11.4 percent after the news of a likely InBev bid first emerged in May, to an all-time high of $58.56 on June 2. They have retreated slightly from that level and traded at $57.65 Thursday morning.



A $65-a-share bid would constitute roughly a 24 percent premium to the price of the shares before news of a potential bid emerged. The shares have been stagnant for the past five years.



A portfolio manager of a San Francisco-based fund company, which owned 1.6 million Anheuser shares as of end-March, said the firm was receptive to an InBev bid.



"Part of the reason we own the stock is the belief that the company could be run a lot better than it has been," said the manager, who did not wish to be identified. "On the price, it really does depend on the synergies and opportunities seen. But $65, given the information that we have, does not seem to be an unreasonable price."

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"The family has always been lucky that they have never been taken out," said Jarislowsky.



The portfolio manager of the San Francisco-based investment firm said it would be hard for the management of Anheuser to reject a reasonable bid.



"It would inject the right sort of culture into the company, which has been viewed more as a family company instead of as a publicly traded, shareholder-friendly company," the manager said.

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Gone Corporate wrote:
bonwich wrote:Law of unintended (well, at least we think they're unintended) consequences: Ever since the BofA flim-flammed the City by giving back options-exercise earnings taxes, the City has lost millions when companies have been bought out and options were exercised (Nestle, the banks). And this one will be the granddaddy of them all, with hundreds of millions in options exercise not being subject to the tax.
Yes, but option strikes aren’t triggered until that future date. Until then, these are non-events and non-assured revenues. If the City could extend its taxation reaches under the guise of Earnings Taxation into option strikes, then I would think it harder to locate corporate HQs in the City than ever before.


You might want to review actual history. This isn't some hypothetical; the City did tax earnings from options-exercise until about 2001, when it -- led by Ms. Krewson, who as a CPA should have known better -- exempted them under the guise of "keeping high-tech companies in the City." Within the first year, that meant that the City gave up $1.77 million from Ralston alone when its buyout triggered options for all its executives.



The fact is that only publicly held companies were affected by the options exemption, and publicly held companies make up a tiny minority of overall business in the City. All those law firms, for example, who pay out their partners in bonuses, still have to pay the tax. 99 percent of those who got the exemption had incomes in the top 1/10th of 1 percent in the City.



The RFT did a good summary of the issue a while back.

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PostJun 05, 2008#79

Key statistics for consideration:



Market Capitalization: $41.18B

Enterprise Value: $49.54B

Shares Outstanding: 713.07M

62.3% held by institutions



Stock Price as of Close Today: $57.75

Speculated Buyout Price: $65.00



Total cost of takeover of 713.07M shares at $65/share: 46.35B.



Aside from being a large number to cover in these markets, that's currently a 12.55% premium to valuation.



If I was on the Board of Directors, I'd seek at least $70.50/share, covered in minimally-leveraged monies. I bet most institutional investors, from money managers to pensions & foundations, would approve of such.

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Gone Corporate wrote:Some interpretations and analysis on some of the major points brought up:
innov8ion wrote:Since May 19th, BUD has increased from 50.55 to 57.46 at closing on May 30th. That's a phenomenal 13.7% gain in only 9 trading sessions. No matter what August Busch IV says, this means that the market is confident of a BUD/INBEV merger.



What's the point in fighting off a buyout now?
Wrong. An increase in traded stock valuation in potential anticipation of acquisition does not mean a buyout will occur, nor market confidence that it will occur. It is both an anticipatory hedging and profit-taking from the sheep.
I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.



Yes there is likely some hedging activity, but the simple fact is that more shares of BUD stock have been bought than sold, increasing the share price. Profit-taking would indicate selling-pressure and a lowering of stock price. There has been a little of that recently but the overall trend since May 20th has shown a price increase at higher volume. This is healthy.



As the process continues, and if it is favorable for a buyout under good terms, expect the BUD stock price to near the $65 (or revised bid) threshold. On the other hand, if BUD sabotages the deal, expect the stock price to rapidly descend to the $48-50 range.



A trading strategy may want to consider risk/reward probabilies. As the stock price nears $65, upside is limited whereas there is a fair amount of risk at hitting $48-50 if the buyout were to fail. If you're savvy, look into options.


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Will BUD fight them all the way? You bet your ass.

What will InBev do? Pass on Bud and acquire Miller when enough financing is in order. You think they have all these billions just sitting around with a banker ready to make big allocations of capital, in these global markets? Nope, cash is king, and the King of Beers is very expensive. Miller, I believe, is a more likely takeover target compared to BUD.



This whole thing is, I bet, a ruse to mislead potential rival bids from established Private Equity groups, especially those fueled by Sovereign Wealth Funds, such as Blackstone and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts.
Will BUD fight? Probably, but they they had better do what's in the best interest of their shareholders lest they see a shakeup on the Board of Directors. YHOO screwed up the MSFT deal and now Carl Icahn is going to tear them to shreds. Bye bye, Jerry Yang! BUD should learn from YHOO's mistakes.



I also believe the A-B brand carries more weight worldwide than SABMiller-Coors. InBev wants A-B and A-B they likely will get. We shall see!

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PostJun 05, 2008#81

Gone Corp, I think you have some interesting thoughts in your post, but you're using the wrong corporate entity names and confusing me.



"SABMiller"=huge British brewing conglomerate

"MillerCoors"=name of U.S. market-only joint venture between British brewer SABMiller and US-Canadian Molson Coors'





SABMiller has been mentioned in numerous places as Plan B for InBev and SABMiller has implied they're be open to a take-over at the right price. I assume that's what you mean.

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innov8ion wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:Some interpretations and analysis on some of the major points brought up:
innov8ion wrote:Since May 19th, BUD has increased from 50.55 to 57.46 at closing on May 30th. That's a phenomenal 13.7% gain in only 9 trading sessions. No matter what August Busch IV says, this means that the market is confident of a BUD/INBEV merger.



What's the point in fighting off a buyout now?
Wrong. An increase in traded stock valuation in potential anticipation of acquisition does not mean a buyout will occur, nor market confidence that it will occur. It is both an anticipatory hedging and profit-taking from the sheep.
I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.


Not at all. The market often prices securities incorrectly, for a variety of reasons. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich.


innov8ion wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:
Will BUD fight them all the way? You bet your ass.

What will InBev do? Pass on Bud and acquire Miller when enough financing is in order. You think they have all these billions just sitting around with a banker ready to make big allocations of capital, in these global markets? Nope, cash is king, and the King of Beers is very expensive. Miller, I believe, is a more likely takeover target compared to BUD.



This whole thing is, I bet, a ruse to mislead potential rival bids from established Private Equity groups, especially those fueled by Sovereign Wealth Funds, such as Blackstone and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts.
Will BUD fight? Probably, but they they had better do what's in the best interest of their shareholders lest they see a shakeup on the Board of Directors. YHOO screwed up the MSFT deal and now Carl Icahn is going to tear them to shreds. Bye bye, Jerry Yang! BUD should learn from YHOO's mistakes.



An InBev buyout of SABMiller-Coors any time in the near future seems unlikely. Federal approval for the SABMiller buyout of Coors has just been reached and now the newly combined company must concern themselves with integration activities. Adding SABMiller-Coors into the mix now would likely be too complex.



I also believe the A-B brand carries more weight worldwide than SABMiller-Coors.



InBev wants A-B and A-B they likely will get. We shall see!


Just to clear up a common misconception - SABMiller did NOT buy Coors (or, more accurately, MolsonCoors). SABMiller and MolsonCoors have entered into a joint venture for their US operations only.

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SoulardX wrote:Gone Corp, I think you have some interesting thoughts in your post, but you're using the wrong corporate entity names and confusing me.



"SABMiller"=huge British brewing conglomerate

"MillerCoors"=name of U.S. market-only joint venture between British brewer SABMiller and US-Canadian Molson Coors'
Sorry, it was my mistake and not GC's. Thanks for the correction, CS & SoulardX.


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innov8ion wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:Some interpretations and analysis on some of the major points brought up:
Wrong. An increase in traded stock valuation in potential anticipation of acquisition does not mean a buyout will occur, nor market confidence that it will occur. It is both an anticipatory hedging and profit-taking from the sheep.
I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.


Not at all. The market often prices securities incorrectly, for a variety of reasons. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich.
Markets price securities "incorrectly" when the market becomes irrational. This happens sometimes, of course. Is BUD stock valued irrationally given what looks to be a probable buyout at $65 or higher? I don't think so.

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innov8ion wrote:I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: Not at all. The market often prices securities incorrectly, for a variety of reasons. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich.
innov8ion wrote:Markets price securities "incorrectly" when the market becomes irrational. This happens sometimes, of course. Is BUD stock valued irrationally given what looks to be a probable buyout at $65 or higher? I don't think so.


The market doesn't have to be irrational for individual securities to be priced irrationally, although it may increase the number of incorrect prices. In fact, Buffett teaches us to ignore the market.

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PostJun 06, 2008#85

uuhhhggg...



bye bye Soccer Park, bye bye Grants Farm, bye bye hundreds of high paying jobs... Woopie!

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Moorlander wrote:uuhhhggg...



bye bye Soccer Park, bye bye Grants Farm, bye bye hundreds of high paying jobs... Woopie!


Why would Grant's Farm close? :?

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Moorlander wrote:uuhhhggg...



bye bye Soccer Park, bye bye Grants Farm, bye bye hundreds of high paying jobs... Woopie!


Why would Grant's Farm close? :?


Why would Inbev want to fund it? :?

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
innov8ion wrote:I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: Not at all. The market often prices securities incorrectly, for a variety of reasons. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich.
innov8ion wrote:Markets price securities "incorrectly" when the market becomes irrational. This happens sometimes, of course. Is BUD stock valued irrationally given what looks to be a probable buyout at $65 or higher? I don't think so.
The market doesn't have to be irrational for individual securities to be priced irrationally, although it may increase the number of incorrect prices. In fact, Buffett teaches us to ignore the market.
Ignore the market? I think you're simplifying a bit much. He knows and respects the market. Everyone should.



Buffett is a long-term investor and thus doesn't care to look at short-term noise (inequilibria aka whether a security is under or overvalued at a given point in time) while he maintains positions. If this is what you mean by Buffett ignoring the market, I agree.



But in buying and selling, you can optimize by buying when you consider a security to be undervalued and selling when overvalued. There are many methods for this. Fundamental & Technical Analysis, assessing strategy, leadership, competition, etc. I doubt he ignores the market when buying and selling.



Buffett knows when a company is underperforming as A-B has. He owns more stock in A-B than the Busch family and it would be uncharacteristic of him to not help push this deal through behind the scenes. It just makes sense.



The name of the combined company very well could be Anheuser-Bev or even Anheuser-Busch. The name InBev is only four years old and has little marketing value. Anheuser-Busch, on the other hand, has plenty. This has precedent as Cingular bought AT&T primarily for the brand name and then renamed themselves as AT&T.

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PostJun 06, 2008#89

Wouldn't this buyout be a monopoly?

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Doug wrote:Wouldn't this buyout be a monopoly?


No.

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PostJun 06, 2008#91

Doug wrote:Wouldn't this buyout be a monopoly?
Good question. Initial analysis says no because the combined company wouldn't create a monopoly in any single country. Bud has 47% market share in America. InBev currently has little. The phenomenon is similar yet inverse in South America, Europe, etc. I don't see regulatory issues.

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How? Ah thanks for the clarification.



Isn't the brewery expensive to operate and inefficient? If we tore down Sportsman's Park and Busch II for similar reasons, then why not close the Brewery?



I seriously doubt that if it was closed then the beer would taste different. Being only tied to St. Louis for A-B would be really detrimental, for example if an earthquake hit and destroyed the brewery. I'm sure A-B can brew elsewhere.

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Doug wrote:Isn't the brewery expensive to operate and inefficient? If we tore down Sportsman's Park and Busch II for similar reasons, then why not close the Brewery?



I seriously doubt that if it was closed then the beer would taste different. Being only tied to St. Louis for A-B would be really detrimental, for example if an earthquake hit and destroyed the brewery. I'm sure A-B can brew elsewhere.
The assumption that Budweiser is only brewed in St. Louis is incorrect. They're simply not going to close existing domestic operations as it makes little sense. Domestically, perhaps they'd start brewing Inbev beers in existing operations. Internationally, there could be consolidated operations, especially in emerging markets.



They will make cuts in shared services and consolidate some of the management structure.


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In the US, A-B operates 12 breweries:



* St. Louis, Missouri (world headquarters)

* Baldwinsville, New York

* Cartersville, Georgia

* Columbus, Ohio

* Fairfield, California

* Fort Collins, Colorado

* Houston, Texas

* Jacksonville, Florida

* Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California

* Merrimack, New Hampshire

* Newark, New Jersey

* Williamsburg, Virginia



Overseas, Anheuser-Busch operates 15 breweries - 14 in China and one in the United Kingdom; In China, A-B operates Budweiser Wuhan International Brewing Company, Ltd. and Harbin Brewery Group Ltd which A-B fully acquired in 2004. Chinese production of AB products in China started, in Wuhan, after their purchase of a local brewery in 1997. In the United Kingdom, the Budweiser Stag Brewing Company Ltd. produces and packages Budweiser.



Budweiser is also locally brewed in eight countries outside the United States. They are: Argentina, Canada, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Russia, South Korea and Spain.

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innov8ion wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
innov8ion wrote:I hate to be rhetorical but the substance of your argument is wrong. The market at any moment in time knows the exact value of a given security. The recent run in the stock price does not guarantee a buyout, however it does provide confidence that it will occur and that it is perceived as favorable.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: Not at all. The market often prices securities incorrectly, for a variety of reasons. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich.
innov8ion wrote:Markets price securities "incorrectly" when the market becomes irrational. This happens sometimes, of course. Is BUD stock valued irrationally given what looks to be a probable buyout at $65 or higher? I don't think so.
The market doesn't have to be irrational for individual securities to be priced irrationally, although it may increase the number of incorrect prices. In fact, Buffett teaches us to ignore the market.
Ignore the market? I think you're simplifying a bit much. He knows and respects the market. Everyone should.


Yes, ignore the market. Not simplifying at all. He pays no attention to the market.


innov8ion wrote:Buffett is a long-term investor and thus doesn't care to look at short-term noise (inequilibria aka whether a security is under or overvalued at a given point in time) while he maintains positions. If this is what you mean by Buffett ignoring the market, I agree.


No, when I say ignoring the market, what I mean is ignoring the market. Period. "The market is there to serve you, not guide you" - Warren Buffett


innov8ion wrote:But in buying and selling, you can optimize by buying when you consider a security to be undervalued and selling when overvalued. There are many methods for this. Fundamental & Technical Analysis, assessing strategy, leadership, competition, etc. I doubt he ignores the market when buying and selling.


What you are talking about is trying to time the market. No one has ever successfully done that on a long term basis. As far as "technical analysis" goes, I'll let his partner handle that one - "Modern portfolio theory is asinine" - Charlie Munger


innov8ion wrote:Buffett knows when a company is underperforming as A-B has. He owns more stock in A-B than the Busch family and it would be uncharacteristic of him to not help push this deal through behind the scenes. It just makes sense.


To the contrary - he didn't buy the stock because the company was under performing, he bought it because it was under priced. Buffett doesn't do turnarounds. He has no interest in them.

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
innov8ion wrote:Buffett knows when a company is underperforming as A-B has. He owns more stock in A-B than the Busch family and it would be uncharacteristic of him to not help push this deal through behind the scenes. It just makes sense.


To the contrary - he didn't buy the stock because the company was under performing, he bought it because it was under priced. Buffett doesn't do turnarounds. He has no interest in them.
I will now utilize logic and your own words to prove that Warren Buffett does not ignore the market:



1. The market determines stock price.

2. Warren Buffett bought BUD because he believed the market undervalued its stock price.



Ergo, Warren Buffett does not ignore the market. He is aware of it and may attempt to capitalize on its perceived inefficiencies.

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^ actually, i think all you need is #2.

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PostJun 07, 2008#97

Professional investors like Buffett are concerned with the stocks they own, not all the stocks they don't own.



How did he get so good? Because he found the best companies and bought them. That's how portfolio managers interested in alpha generation and beating the market operate, by finding their best ideas and sticking to them. While the broader markets are a guide, only those that deviate from the beta-centric mindset of many holdings with small even allocations are able to win.



i.e.: The DJIA was down 394 points today, and the Nasdaq lost over 70 points, collectively each around 3% of opening-day valuations. Where professional investors like Buffett exist is in buying companies whose growth is not determined by broader market consensus and attachment to total public expectations. In the long run, it's whether the portfolio manager is able to beat the markets consistently, by focusing on how the small collection of companies they choose to buy produce returns in comparison to the thousands of stocks that the broader stock indexes include. (This takes into consideration that the DJIA is only 30 stocks, that they are the stocks chosen to best reflect the broader markets.)



I credit The Central Scrutinizer for his Munger quote. He's a hell of an investor and knows MPT is fallible. Buffett is certainly not an MPT follower.



Now, we have a publicly-traded company, BUD, over which multiple rumors and reports have emerged about a buyout. Now that the cat is out of the bag, the necessary price for buyout has increased, since it's not a secret anymore that serious consideration of BUD being acquired through a public acquisition is underway. If InBev had not been outed, then a price of $65 would be considerable, but now, with the increased valuation based upon such an acquisition, an increase in this is both necessary and essential for any deal to go through. The mere assumption of potential imminent buyout underway raises the tacit valuations. I say they're going to have to reflect any potential acquisition with the public expectations of potential acquisition reflected into the buyout price.



For those looking for BUD to not be bought out, the increased valuations based on imminent acquisitions may stave off the purchase.



As an aside, I've been following BUD for a few years thinking that it was a potential buyout target. It hasn't been done yet, and there's no guarantee it will happen now, although this is the biggest attempt at buyout actually taking place so far.

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
innov8ion wrote:Buffett knows when a company is underperforming as A-B has. He owns more stock in A-B than the Busch family and it would be uncharacteristic of him to not help push this deal through behind the scenes. It just makes sense.


To the contrary - he didn't buy the stock because the company was under performing, he bought it because it was under priced. Buffett doesn't do turnarounds. He has no interest in them.
I will now utilize logic and your own words to prove that Warren Buffett does not ignore the market:



1. The market determines stock price.

2. Warren Buffett bought BUD because he believed the market undervalued its stock price.



Ergo, Warren Buffett does not ignore the market. He is aware of it and may attempt to capitalize on its perceived inefficiencies.


"The market" <> Anheuser-Busch.



Buffett (like all investors should) looks at individual businesses. Yes, "the market" determines the purchase price (unless you have a private sale), but he cares not whether the market goes up 500 points, or down 500 points in any given day, week, month or year. It is completely irrelevant. Thus, he ignores it. And I will guarantee you that he looks at AB as a business first, before he ever checks the purchase price.

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PostJun 07, 2008#100

Web site aims to block Anheuser-Busch takeover

By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD

BUSINESS WEEK



A new Web site is trying to block the rumored takeover of Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc. by Belgium-based brewer InBev SA, playing on patriotic fervor to stop an iconic American firm from slipping into foreign hands.



The Web site, SaveBudweiser.com, encourages visitors to contact elected officials and Anheuser-Busch shareholders to discourage the deal. It features an online petition "To Save Our Beer," and claims to have more than 18,000 signatures.



"We don't want another American icon turned over to a foreign company; we want the motto to remain, "The Great American Lager," the petition says.



It is unclear who is behind the Web site, which says it is not affiliated with Anheuser-Busch. The site is registered and hosted by a company in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. The identity of the Web site administrators is not listed, and the administrators did not return an e-mail seeking comment.



The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported earlier this week the Web Site was launched by a couple in Florida who live near a member of the Busch family.



The Web site reflects discontent that has flourished since European media outlets published reports late last month that InBev might offer up to $48 billion for Anheuser-Busch. Concern has been particularly strong here in Anheuser-Busch's hometown, where the company employs 6,000 people and gives to a wide variety of local charities.



Both Anheuser-Busch and InBev have declined comment on any potential deal.



Analysts say it could be difficult for Anheuser-Busch executives to deny an offer if InBev makes it. InBev's bid equals about $65 per share for Anheuser-Busch's stock, a steep premium over Friday morning's share price of $57.81.



Still, the deal might become a political issue during an election year when voters are anxious about the economy and wary of overseas investment. That's clearly a sentiment being stoked by the site.



"Anheuser-Busch is a huge supporter of our military and their families both here and abroad and is ranked in the 'Top 50 Military-Friendly Employers,'" the site says. "Recently in the news, talks of a hostile take over of the company have been prevalent. Lets band together as one voice and try to save more than just our beer."



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