4,553
Life MemberLife Member
4,553

PostJun 07, 2008#101

If the market were fully convinced AB was going to be bought by Inbev, they would currently be valuing the stock at 65$.



In considering this potential acquisition, I originally thought that the more time that elapsed the more defenses the AB management would be able to throw up. The fact that they hired Goldman Sachs to consider their options and perhaps bolster their defenses to an acquisition is promising. But simultaneously the lag time has given hedge funds the opportunity to buy up billions of dollars of AB stock, and they are overwhelmingly supportive of a quick sale.



So what do you all think, will this lag time between the speculation of the Financial Times and an actual bid help or hurt AB?

995
Super MemberSuper Member
995

PostJun 07, 2008#102

By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD

BUSINESS WEEK


Just to be clear. Christopher Leonard is a very good business writer for the local bureau of the Associated Press. The AP article appears on the Business Week website.

5,631
Life MemberLife Member
5,631

PostJun 08, 2008#103

It's a shame matguy70 censors an entire post just for calling someone's arguments childish and obtuse at their essence. A simple deletion of a word or two would have sufficed.



The market and the market alone determines the price for Anheuser-Busch. If you don't like it, too bad. Buffett and Munger determine through careful analysis whether they believe a given security is over or undervalued given the criteria they utilize. Their analysis may not be overly sexy, but it's normally fairly effective.



Think. think. tHink. Buffett doesn't care about the everyday noise in a stock while he owns it. He does care about market prices in regards to his valuations in buying and selling decisions.



Appeals to nationalism are a bit amusing especially when "domestic" cars have mostly foreign parts and "foreign" cars are made in America. It's a global world, don't fool yourself.



Anheuser-Busch management had the opportunity to improve the stock price in the last five years and failed. Now stockholders have the opportunity to turn over the keys to a company that can turn it around.

523
Senior MemberSenior Member
523

PostJun 08, 2008#104

wabash, here's what I think about the lag time--as of June 7, InBev is bluffing.



Inbev hasn't raised and can't raise the $50 billion to buy AB. In this credit market, that's a tall tall order.



The head of Modelo--who also sits on AB's board--claims to be completely in the dark about any approach to AB from Inbev. He says it hasn't happened. So, my gut tells me, all the news in the last few weeks is just InBev testing the waters--via leaks to the press--about a takeover of AB. InBev just wants to see how AB and the American public/politicians will react to a takeover.



Another interesting point--AB is an American icon. In an election year, it may be politically advantageous to try to protect AB. Well, one candidate's wife has gotten supremely wealthy via an AB distributorship--Cindy McCain.

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostJun 09, 2008#105

matguy70 wrote:Web site aims to block Anheuser-Busch takeover


I hope the person who set up this web site didn't put too much time into it - it's a pointless venture.

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostJun 09, 2008#106

DeBaliviere wrote:
matguy70 wrote:Web site aims to block Anheuser-Busch takeover


I hope the person who set up this web site didn't put too much time into it - it's a pointless venture.


Yep. A complete waste of time. Of course, I've already received it twice in emails. People are so stupid.

5,631
Life MemberLife Member
5,631

PostJun 09, 2008#107

Decent analysis from the St. Louis Beacon: http://www.stlbeacon.org/issues_politics/business/bud

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostJun 09, 2008#108

While SAB & InBev were participating in industry consolidation, III was sitting on the sidelines, and even worse, using cash to buy back shares.

8,922
Life MemberLife Member
8,922

PostJun 09, 2008#109

Anyone know anything about the Sab buyout of Miller? How did that effect the city of MKE? Would this takeover be comparable? Any articles to on the subject?

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostJun 09, 2008#110

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:While SAB & InBev were participating in industry consolidation, III was sitting on the sidelines, and even worse, using cash to buy back shares.


Didn't they make a bid for Beck's, only to lose out to InBev? I guess they should have been more aggressive.

5,631
Life MemberLife Member
5,631

PostJun 09, 2008#111

Moorlander wrote:Anyone know anything about the Sab buyout of Miller? How did that effect the city of MKE? Would this takeover be comparable? Any articles to on the subject?
You could do some digging here: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q= ... &scoring=n



I think the integration went fairly smoothly. An InBev takeover of A-B would be similar and likely be an extremely successful combination in the world market.

2,430
Life MemberLife Member
2,430

PostJun 09, 2008#112

The article in the Beacon was pretty interesting. I didn't know AB had gained that much market share in China. No wonder InBev wants them. AB may be behind in terms of its expansion into Europe and South America, but AB seems to be ahead in terms of China.

8,922
Life MemberLife Member
8,922

PostJun 09, 2008#113

innov8ion wrote:
Moorlander wrote:Anyone know anything about the Sab buyout of Miller? How did that effect the city of MKE? Would this takeover be comparable? Any articles to on the subject?
You could do some digging here: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q= ... &scoring=n


I guess I could.... thanks



How about another question, How likely is it that INbev can come up with 50Bill?

5,631
Life MemberLife Member
5,631

PostJun 09, 2008#114

^ Haven't heard any real chatter brewing in a week. Here's a good article on that: http://www.reuters.com/article/business ... 02?sp=true

5,433
Super ModeratorSuper Moderator
5,433

PostJun 10, 2008#115

DeBaliviere wrote:
matguy70 wrote:Web site aims to block Anheuser-Busch takeover


I hope the person who set up this web site didn't put too much time into it - it's a pointless venture.


Exactly. I'm reminded of the folks in Chicago that are still trying to "save Marshall Field's". How's that going?



Symbolic gestures don't mean much, but for now I'm simply staying away from Stella Artois (one of my favorite beers) and drinking the local macrobrew more often. I don't need a beer snob to tell me I'm sacrificing taste, but Budweiser tastes just fine with barbecue in the summer, a hot dog at the ballpark, or with whatever's being served at parish picnics. 8)

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostJun 10, 2008#116

ThreeOneFour wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:
matguy70 wrote:Web site aims to block Anheuser-Busch takeover


I hope the person who set up this web site didn't put too much time into it - it's a pointless venture.


Exactly. I'm reminded of the folks in Chicago that are still trying to "save Marshall Field's". How's that going?



Symbolic gestures don't mean much, but for now I'm simply staying away from Stella Artois (one of my favorite beers) and drinking the local macrobrew more often. I don't need a beer snob to tell me I'm sacrificing taste, but Budweiser tastes just fine with barbecue in the summer, a hot dog at the ballpark, or with whatever's being served at parish picnics. 8)


For me, Stella and pizza is a tradition at Vito's after the SLU football.

2,940
Life MemberLife Member
2,940

PostJun 10, 2008#117

Some solid articles on BUD from SeekingAlpha.com:



The reason for BUD’s increased valuations? Maybe not InBev, but Bud Light Lime.

seekingalpha.com/article/78730-bud-light-lime-not-potential-inbev-takeover-boosting-anheuser-busch



Fitch Ratings is skeptical on the deal going through.

seekingalpha.com/article/78814-fitch-skeptical-of-inbev-anheuser-merger-prospect



BUD is the third best-performing individual security since the S&P500 peaked on 5.19.2008, following Jabil Circuit and Compuware. BUD posted an increase in valuation during this time of 13.31%. As an aside, MON was 7th.

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostJun 10, 2008#118

But is Bud Light Lime cannibalizing sales from other A-B brands or stealing market share from competitors?

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostJun 10, 2008#119

Gone Corporate wrote:Some solid articles on BUD from SeekingAlpha.com:



The reason for BUD’s increased valuations? Maybe not InBev, but Bud Light Lime.

seekingalpha.com/article/78730-bud-light-lime-not-potential-inbev-takeover-boosting-anheuser-busch


Highly unlikely, IMO. While it is selling well, it's to soon to know where the sales are coming from - cannibalized from Bud Lite or taken from competitors, mostly Miller Chill.


Gone Corporate wrote:BUD is the third best-performing individual security since the S&P500 peaked on 5.19.2008, following Jabil Circuit and Compuware. BUD posted an increase in valuation during this time of 13.31%. As an aside, MON was 7th.


Performance figures for this short of a period of time are meaningless. Unless you are posting it as a trivial tidbit.

2,845
Life MemberLife Member
2,845

PostJun 10, 2008#120

I found the article above posted by innov8ion is informative. Will bankers be willing to grant 50 Billion dollars in this market? Much less ever?



Interesting articles today June 10, 2008



The first talking about A.B.'s strategies.

Anheuser must find solution palatable for all

Reuters, Tuesday June 10 2008

By Martinne Geller



"NEW YORK, June 10 (Reuters) - As a foreign suitor circles Anheuser-Busch, the brewer of the iconic King of Beers must craft a strategy that goes down smoothly for shareholders, employees and its hometown of St. Louis."



READ ENTIRE ARTICLE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7575742



The second an article about Anheuser launching just today into Vietman / and doubling its Asian Markets. Is this part of their "stragedy"?



"This Bud's for Vietnam": Anheuser-Busch expands iconic American brew in Asia

June 10, 2008



ST. LOUIS — Anheuser-Busch is launching Budweiser in Vietnam as it extends its expansion in Asia.



The St. Louis-based brewer on Monday announced an import and distribution agreement with Gannon Distribution Co., making Budweiser available in Vietnam starting this week. Initially, Budweiser will be available in bottles and cans in upscale bars, restaurants and supermarkets in Ho Chi Minh City and in select chain outlets across Vietnam."



READ ENTIRE ARTICLE: http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... MS9Zy64X_g





The third an article about maybe Anheuser taking over/bidding on Canadian Molson. Another strgedy?



READ ENTIRE ARTICLE:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7576735

10
New MemberNew Member
10

PostJun 11, 2008#121

Why couldn't have we been this supportive when May Company was being bought out by Federated? It was a 18 billion dollar company that was going to leave Saint Louis!

2,430
Life MemberLife Member
2,430

PostJun 11, 2008#122

^ I thought people were supportive of keeping May locally owned?

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostJun 11, 2008#123

matguy70 wrote:The third an article about maybe Anheuser taking over/bidding on Canadian Molson. Another strgedy?



READ ENTIRE ARTICLE:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7576735


The article doesn't match your description of it.



As to whether AB would buy MolsonCoors? I doubt it.

2,845
Life MemberLife Member
2,845

PostJun 11, 2008#124

CS- Maybe I posted the wrong one - will check it.


Why couldn't have we been this supportive when May Company was being bought out by Federated? It was a 18 billion dollar company that was going to leave Saint Louis!


STL WAS supportive about keeping May - the difference I think here is... MAY SOLD to Federated... AB would be taken over (hostile take over)... a big difference.

2,940
Life MemberLife Member
2,940

PostJun 11, 2008#125

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:Some solid articles on BUD from SeekingAlpha.com:



The reason for BUD’s increased valuations? Maybe not InBev, but Bud Light Lime.

seekingalpha.com/article/78730-bud-light-lime-not-potential-inbev-takeover-boosting-anheuser-busch


Highly unlikely, IMO. While it is selling well, it's to soon to know where the sales are coming from - cannibalized from Bud Lite or taken from competitors, mostly Miller Chill.


Gone Corporate wrote:BUD is the third best-performing individual security since the S&P500 peaked on 5.19.2008, following Jabil Circuit and Compuware. BUD posted an increase in valuation during this time of 13.31%. As an aside, MON was 7th.


Performance figures for this short of a period of time are meaningless. Unless you are posting it as a trivial tidbit.


Agreed that brand cannibalization is taking place, limitedly, but also could lead to increased market exposure from people who usually pass on beer for Hard Lemonade or Smirnoff Ice. Time will tell if the opportunity cost of potential brand cannibalization could lead to increased net consumers. As an aside, I never drink BL but did try the Lime and am going back for more this summer.



Agreed that short-term performance is incidental to sustained multi-year earnings growth. If you knew our firm's metric by means of performance tracking, you'd understand how seriously I consider posting this for clarification.



Focus: I still believe the East Asia strategy is the most potent element of BUD right now, tangible or intangible as the asset may be.



My biggest curiosities, however, are focused on how InBev expects to get all that cash necessary to make the aggressive buyout take place. Are they expecting to leverage the hilt out of it? Are they trying to get BUD to acquire ancillary businesses to decrease its own cash now for a turnaround acquisition later? In this economy, a pile of cash sitting around waiting for leveraged buyouts to occur don't take place with companies these sizes. Since no apparent PE companies have been named as co-partner, you'd have to assume that InBev is going mostly solo.

Read more posts (936 remaining)