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Remember, the name of an LLC or similar business is just a formality. It still doesn't tell us WHO the owner is.

^Yeah, that could be Ted Koplar's grand niece's address for all we know.

Assuming several different owners for the parcels, including one likely to oppose a building that would alter the view of another building it owns, how would the forum propose proceeding?

publiceye wrote:Assuming several different owners for the parcels, including one likely to oppose a building that would alter the view of another building it owns, how would the forum propose proceeding?

It is called negotiation. Owners can be compensated in the form of cash and/or equity. Why is that so difficult? It happens all the time, on much more complex pieces of property than this. Unless there is some unresolved title dispute? Still shouldn't be a long-term problem.



I seriously doubt that any developer in St. Louis had the foresight to purchase air rights in the CWE. So, assuming that is not the case, and actually, even if that is the case, the owner "likely to oppose" can be compensated and/or involved in the design process. If that is not enough and they refuse to budge, then we can start talking about eminent domain. That parcel is simply too valuable for any one owner to stand in the way. Again more complex disputes than this get resolved in other cities all the time. I suppose it mostly depends on how big of a parcel the more difficult property owners own and, unfortunately, since this is St. Louis, to whom those property owners are related. If the latter is the case, then that is very unfortunate for St. Louis...

jlblues wrote:^Yeah, that could be Ted Koplar's grand niece's address for all we know.

The apartment building across the street is Parc Frontenac, so I'm pretty sure it is the same group. When I lived there 10 years ago, it was one of the parking lots for the residents of Parc Frontenac.

well, that's all nice and wonderful for the family, but it's time to blight it and give it away to the largest bidder. The current owners can get paid on whatever that is. For a piece of property to sit for so long at one of THE entrances/ main intersections of the city is ridiculous. Now, I'm not a huge fan of eminent domain, etc. but no one lives here, this isn't exactly someones house. For this to sit vacant for 30+ years is ridiculous.

Sounds like big things are in the works for Kingshighway/Lindell, including retail and up to 50 stories! Koplar owns the corner lot while the parking lot next to it is owned by an NYC group (the same that own the Parc Frontenac - which uses the lot). The rumored vision is for two levels of retail catering to building residents, Chase residents/hotel goers, and other up-scale high rise residents. Think Nordstrom-Rack, a small Brooks Brothers and other specialty retail. The idea is that big parking isn't needed as the retail would be aimed at neighborhood residents. Next up - southwest corner of Euclid/Lindell. Kindred Hospital is starting to talk (or is it considering to start talking) with possible buyers/developers.

are you serious .... thats fantastic. Is that solid info?

^^ This is the vision that is being shopped - that's solid. Will it happen? I don't know. IMO - something will happen with this lot in the next five years. It seems too valuable to just sit there, but of course that's just what's it's done for quite some time.

I can't think of a better place for something like this to be built. Sure hope this becomes a reality, and soon. Let's face it, the CWE is THE urban upscale neighborhood of the entire area. (Actually, this or something like it should have happened 20 years ago, IMHO.)

How about something like this? Maybe only slightly in smaller scale?!

Eh - looks like Enron headquarters!



I'm thinking some more like this (it's a long block and a little variety at ground level would be welcome):





or this (would fill out the block nicely though it's probably a bit too monolithis to fit in):

I've been in and around the Time Warner Center and think that something along those lines would work well in the CWE. Though I'm sure plenty of NIMBY's would be outraged.

Let's go to "The Google" . . .



http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Saint+Lou ... 2&t=h&om=1



Doesn't look like it will obstruct anyone's view to me. The brick portion of the Chase Park Plaza is the hotel correct? It will affect the views of whatever is built at Lindell and Euclid.

^ by the way, looks like your view from the Park East will be safe for a long, long time. The buildings to the west are good quality and there are a lot of lots to fill before they'll be torn down.

Ihnen wrote:Let's go to "The Google" . . .

I loves The Google. Best thing on teh interwebs.

I'm confused about where on the Chase PArk Plaza property they want to add another highrise since their buildings already come up to Lindell. Is it the current drive and entranceway?



That's very narrow property.

You are confused (just joking)



The building being discussed here would be across Lindell from the Chase on the open parking lots facing Kingshighway and Forest Park.



Let's go to The Google!

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Saint+Lou ... 3&t=h&om=1

I can't get on the Google. The tubes are jammed. If only the internet were like a dump truck