I can't be too angry at Drury given how instrumental they were in saving the Fur Exchange and adjacent properties. And adapting Union Market, for that matter. Certain Kingshighway properties notwithstanding they've generally been a good steward of our built environment. I suppose it was different management back then, but the Fur Exchange was one of the first really big preservation wins I c remember.dweebe wrote: ↑May 20, 2022chriss752 wrote: ↑May 20, 2022Funny you say this since I know a guy at the Syberg's Restaurant Group who said Drury had conceptual plans that looked at building a new hotel on the parking garage portion and demo the current hotel. Those plans were shelved due to cost and instead, an overhaul is planned to bring the hotel up to date and last a while longer.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑May 20, 2022Excellent news. Now if only Drury would do a gut remodel / update of the Pear Tree Inn (or pipedream scenario they tear it down completely and build a new hotel with no set back from Market and a garage instead of surface parking).
Drury seems to have a not-good track record of actually doing what they think about. Of course they'll cheap out.
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Quick note on the northern half of that block, EssTeeEll's "blue rectangle" above the alley with the Stray Rescue building. That half of the block is directly in front of the atrium at Wells Fargo Advisors' HQ, which is a postcard-worthy view of Downtown with the Arch perfectly framed down the Gateway Mall. I'd think that any future development with enough height to block that view would face massive opposition from Wells Fargo, and justifiably so. I'm looking forward to seeing what can go in there, especially as the "red rectangle" of that block appears to certainly be in play for this new development, but I sure am not expecting a high rise (barely a mid rise) ever going in.EssTeeEll wrote: ↑May 20, 2022Excellent news! Only a couple things to nitpick from early renderings; that long, blank wall which I assume is the garage. And also that it looks like multiple places will be torn down despite a lot of vacant lots in the area. But I know it's all more complicated than that, and those buildings may not be all that significant. Can someone with a better eye tell me exactly where this is? I *think* it's the red rectangle, but it could be both the red and blue combined. But I think there would be way more units if it was both. Great to get some more density in the area. Thanks, Chris.
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If Wells Fargo doesn't own the land, what can they really do?
What do they do if the Pear Tree Inn does a tear-down-and-build-up?
Wells Fargo is in Midtown. I don't think they should be able to dictate development in Downtown West and Downtown for their sightlines alone.
What do they do if the Pear Tree Inn does a tear-down-and-build-up?
Wells Fargo is in Midtown. I don't think they should be able to dictate development in Downtown West and Downtown for their sightlines alone.
^ Yep, kinda like Koplar shouldn't build on their empty lot at Kingshighway & Lindell because Regis residents lose their view.
GC, Don't understand your comment or point. Wasn't Wells Fargo who gave up some of the property in the first place so making a fuss about it when the area is clearly on the upswing that will only add people, vibrancy, and thus more safety doesn't seems to be in their better interest..
GC, Don't understand your comment or point. Wasn't Wells Fargo who gave up some of the property in the first place so making a fuss about it when the area is clearly on the upswing that will only add people, vibrancy, and thus more safety doesn't seems to be in their better interest..
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^Mostly, I'm just thinking that the northern half of that block may not have a high rise built on it, more likely low rises. It wouldn't surprise me if Wells Fargo buys that land for it to be redeveloped into something that maybe isn't 150 feet tall so they can preserve their view.
Agree 100% that land owners should be allowed to determine what they develop on the land they own within good reason (and hopefully good taste). All I wanted to convey was that may be likely and may be contested by the neighbors across the street.
Meanwhile, I'm fully in favor of this apartment concept getting built ASAP. Godspeed and good luck.
And, hopefully, a major retrofit or reconstruction of the Pear Tree Inn into something much better than it currently is.
Agree 100% that land owners should be allowed to determine what they develop on the land they own within good reason (and hopefully good taste). All I wanted to convey was that may be likely and may be contested by the neighbors across the street.
Meanwhile, I'm fully in favor of this apartment concept getting built ASAP. Godspeed and good luck.
And, hopefully, a major retrofit or reconstruction of the Pear Tree Inn into something much better than it currently is.
I think this is what Graybar did when (what is now) the Ceylon properties came available in Clayton. Early proposals were for fairly tall hotels and whoever Graybar handed it to built a six story apartment building that more or less lines up with the top floor of Graybar's garage.gone corporate wrote: ↑May 24, 2022^Mostly, I'm just thinking that the northern half of that block may not have a high rise built on it, more likely low rises. It wouldn't surprise me if Wells Fargo buys that land for it to be redeveloped into something that maybe isn't 150 feet tall so they can preserve their view.
^ & ^^ Thanks, that makes a lot of sense what Graybar did and could only assume that Wells Fargo has probably thought about a lot of what they hope for around their campus and the means to proactively be involved one way or another.
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Apparently Up-Bar is not just a rendering placeholder name, they are trying to make it into a chain. If this goes well, the plan on the distant horizon another hotel and Up-Bar across from Busch Stadium. I believe in the lot by Tums, or at least nearby.