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PostSep 01, 2025#526

1. Technically, yes
2. No, just the inspection of the work that was permitted. If you want to do other work that was not stated/mentioned/applied for in the permit, then yes, a new permit.

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PostSep 01, 2025#527

walker wrote:
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1. Technically, yes
2. No, just the inspection of the work that was permitted. If you want to do other work that was not stated/mentioned/applied for in the permit, then yes, a new permit.
appreciate that. thank you!

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PostSep 02, 2025#528

If condemned, an occupancy permit may be required

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PostSep 02, 2025#529

Stl PR - Clayton teachers clean up students’ tornado-damaged neighborhood


https://www.stlpr.org/education/2025-09 ... ighborhood

PostSep 04, 2025#530

Missouri Independent - Disaster destroyed their St. Louis homes. Then the real estate ‘vultures’ swooped in


https://missouriindependent.com/2025/09 ... wooped-in/

They point to the Clark School lofts as " a former school turned into an upscale apartment building inhabited by law students"  There's one unit soon to be available for $1.04/sf. I wouldn't call that upscale.

https://clarkschoollofts.com/442111946/

PostSep 06, 2025#531

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PostSep 06, 2025#532

SLDC has hired a consultant from New Zealand at $1m to do something

The city gov has hired Terta Tech to work on something

The mayor named a chief recovery officers and I have no idea if all 3 will be working together or not

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PostSep 11, 2025#533

Still a ton of big apartments in the path that are sitting empty, would be surprised if Debaliviere Place is sitting at even 50% of its pre-tornado population levels. Anecdotally, business at the iTap on Delmar fell off a cliff over the summer. The Wash U kids are back now which definitely helps, but many of them are probably living elsewhere while the neighborhood slowly rebuilds.

Many of the structures don't even seem to have work being done on them. Last I checked, the Hudson was simply fenced off with nothing happening. I hope it doesn't become a decade long eyesore that eventually needs to be torn down.

In regard to coffee: Check out E61 Cafe. They also opened not long before the tornado and I am sure they are struggling right now. Nice people, Greek desserts, good coffee.

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PostSep 11, 2025#534

The rents that can be demanded in this area I would have to think gets things rebuilt quickly. Was surprised to see how many roofs are still just tarped all up and down Pershing. The neighborhood directly to the West had quietly become really nice, lots of small rehabs and repairs, so hopefully people are getting their claims and repairs.

It does seem like a huge setback for east delmar and north debaliviere and it becoming a mixed use area north of Forest Park which I had huge optimism for just a couple years ago.

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PostSep 11, 2025#535

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sep 11, 2025
Still a ton of big apartments in the path that are sitting empty, would be surprised if Debaliviere Place is sitting at even 50% of its pre-tornado population levels. Anecdotally, business at the iTap on Delmar fell off a cliff over the summer. The Wash U kids are back now which definitely helps, but many of them are probably living elsewhere while the neighborhood slowly rebuilds.

Many of the structures don't even seem to have work being done on them. Last I checked, the Hudson was simply fenced off with nothing happening. I hope it doesn't become a decade long eyesore that eventually needs to be torn down.

In regard to coffee: Check out E61 Cafe. They also opened not long before the tornado and I am sure they are struggling right now. Nice people, Greek desserts, good coffee.
I am not optimistic about the future of the Hudson. I will say there is constant work being done on buildings across the neighborhood, but you’re right, the population of the neighborhood has definitely cratered. Many of the condo owners are looking at 2-3 year timelines before the could return to occupancy and they are leaving for good.

I can’t recommend E61 as well as Mack’s Bar enough. They are essentially the last remaining retail in the neighborhood.

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PostSep 12, 2025#536

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sep 11, 2025
Still a ton of big apartments in the path that are sitting empty, would be surprised if Debaliviere Place is sitting at even 50% of its pre-tornado population levels. Anecdotally, business at the iTap on Delmar fell off a cliff over the summer. The Wash U kids are back now which definitely helps, but many of them are probably living elsewhere while the neighborhood slowly rebuilds.

Many of the structures don't even seem to have work being done on them. Last I checked, the Hudson was simply fenced off with nothing happening. I hope it doesn't become a decade long eyesore that eventually needs to be torn down.

In regard to coffee: Check out E61 Cafe. They also opened not long before the tornado and I am sure they are struggling right now. Nice people, Greek desserts, good coffee.
I know alot of people who were insured that have not been able to start work because they are still going back and forth with their insurance carriers over the cost of repairs.  

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PostSep 12, 2025#537

I still don't understand why we as a society have decided that we'd rather outsource stuff like natural disaster insurance to for-profit companies that are incentivized to pay out as little as possible.

Just seems like a national insurance program that pays you out back to where you were before the disaster would be disaster would be preferable.

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PostSep 13, 2025#538

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PostSep 17, 2025#539

Auggie wrote:
Sep 12, 2025
I still don't understand why we as a society have decided that we'd rather outsource stuff like natural disaster insurance to for-profit companies that are incentivized to pay out as little as possible.

Just seems like a national insurance program that pays you out back to where you were before the disaster would be disaster would be preferable.
I am a condo owner in DeBaliviere Place and our association is still struggling to get insurance adjuster to agree on the estimate for repairs. It has been 4 months since tornado and there has been very little progress. Disappointed with entire insurance process. Had to go on a short term lease, paying extra premium, paying HOA for condo that is sitting empty.

I am worried how insurance premiums are going to increase next year.

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PostSep 18, 2025#540

stlurbanist wrote:
Sep 17, 2025
Auggie wrote:
Sep 12, 2025
I still don't understand why we as a society have decided that we'd rather outsource stuff like natural disaster insurance to for-profit companies that are incentivized to pay out as little as possible.

Just seems like a national insurance program that pays you out back to where you were before the disaster would be disaster would be preferable.
I am a condo owner in DeBaliviere Place and our association is still struggling to get insurance adjuster to agree on the estimate for repairs. It has been 4 months since tornado and there has been very little progress. Disappointed with entire insurance process. Had to go on a short term lease, paying extra premium, paying HOA for condo that is sitting empty.

I am worried how insurance premiums are going to increase next year.
Stuff like this shouldn't happen in the world's richest country with a defense budget over $850 billion. Natural disasters cause ~$150 billion in damages per year, there is not a good reason that the federal government has not implemented a national insurance program.

The coolest part is that this type of spending gets paid out to American construction companies and probably purchases at least some American materials. Not only would we be giving justice to natural disaster victims, we'd be stimulating the economy while we are at it. Just drives me nuts how little sense this country makes.

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PostSep 18, 2025#541

stlurbanist wrote:
Sep 17, 2025
Auggie wrote:
Sep 12, 2025
I still don't understand why we as a society have decided that we'd rather outsource stuff like natural disaster insurance to for-profit companies that are incentivized to pay out as little as possible.

Just seems like a national insurance program that pays you out back to where you were before the disaster would be disaster would be preferable.
I am a condo owner in DeBaliviere Place and our association is still struggling to get insurance adjuster to agree on the estimate for repairs. It has been 4 months since tornado and there has been very little progress. Disappointed with entire insurance process. Had to go on a short term lease, paying extra premium, paying HOA for condo that is sitting empty.

I am worried how insurance premiums are going to increase next year.
My sis-in-law's insurance went up 30-40% not too long ago after her entire neighborhood in south county had their roofs replaced... (she did get a broker and found other insurance with some higher deductibles that was only 10-15% higher)

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PostSep 18, 2025#542

My insurance premium went down a little bit. I couldn't believe it. First time in 16 years without having to cut my coverage. Usually there's a double digit increase.

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PostSep 18, 2025#543

Tornadoes are highly localized, rare events. The chances of the same neighborhood getting hit a second time are really low. It doesn't make sense that homeowners who were hit once should have their rates jump.

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PostSep 18, 2025#544

framer wrote:
Sep 18, 2025
Tornadoes are highly localized, rare events. The chances of the same neighborhood getting hit a second time are really low. It doesn't make sense that homeowners who were hit once should have their rates jump.
It makes total financial sense for the insurance companies.

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PostSep 18, 2025#545

Feds won’t take over cleanup but offered $63M up front and technical experience. The State will manage the debris removal job and contractors which is still good news for the city. This should start to pick up pace now.

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PostSep 18, 2025#546

In addition: 

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PostSep 18, 2025#547

Would there be any impact on the property taxes for those properties affected by tornado?

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PostSep 19, 2025#548

stlurbanist wrote:
Sep 18, 2025
Would there be any impact on the property taxes for those properties affected by tornado?
There certainly should be.

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PostSep 19, 2025#549

STLAPTS wrote:
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stlurbanist wrote:
Sep 18, 2025
Would there be any impact on the property taxes for those properties affected by tornado?
There certainly should be.
will go up or will go down?

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PostSep 19, 2025#550

Property values have and will go down. Therefore property taxes should follow.

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