Appears from census tract data estimates that as a whole the black population has continued to decrease in the Central Corridor with the exception of downtown and a few other limited areas. South City black population also dropped slightly last decade, but it might be growing now... but even that seems complicated with decline in many of the gentrifying areas and concentration in areas like Dutchtown. And some growth west of S. Kingshighway, which was almost all white until recently.arch city wrote: Actually......African Americans are spreading out in the city. South City, Central Corridor and Downtown have seen increases in black pop. Keep in mind the city's black population still hovers around 50%. With that said, others have moved to west county, St. Charles county and even to the metro east. And yes, others have moved away from region altogether.
South city still needs tons of investment as well. I was shopping in a store in Dutchtown today and a shooting happened right across the street, with undercover agents making a raid just a few blocks away.Wolfpaw wrote: St Louis’s population exodus won’t stop until there’s billions being poured into the weakest link and that weakest link is North St Louis. This has been going on well before Ferguson in fact I don’t think Ferguson has had the kind of effect that most were expecting. As much as I love all the rehabs and construction going on the central and south areas there has got to be a way to getting investments into our impoverished neighborhoods in the north. What St Louis is doing now is great however there’s no renaissance until the population begins to grow again. St Louis could level out around 275-285 thousand unless something dramatic is done from here on out.
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I live in KC's Country Club Plaza and there are shootings and crime there too. And that's an upscale shopping district more on par with Clayton than South St. Louis. Late last year some guy took an AR-15 and shot up a VW he got into an argument with, a couple years before that 3 people were gunned down at 47th and Broadway (literally the center and busiest part of the neighborhood, and right in from of my building) in a drive by shooting. There was a murder in the library parking garage before that...I could go on. Unfortunately crime is everywhere. You're pretty much putting your life in your hands no matter where you go in this country.olvidarte wrote:South city still needs tons of investment as well. I was shopping in a store in Dutchtown today and a shooting happened right across the street, with undercover agents making a raid just a few blocks away.Wolfpaw wrote: St Louis’s population exodus won’t stop until there’s billions being poured into the weakest link and that weakest link is North St Louis. This has been going on well before Ferguson in fact I don’t think Ferguson has had the kind of effect that most were expecting. As much as I love all the rehabs and construction going on the central and south areas there has got to be a way to getting investments into our impoverished neighborhoods in the north. What St Louis is doing now is great however there’s no renaissance until the population begins to grow again. St Louis could level out around 275-285 thousand unless something dramatic is done from here on out.
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Never been that close to a shooting, all because I wanted to shop at a particular store. There are plenty of places in S. City that you take your life in your hands just to do normal, everyday tasks...I don't know why people gloss over the fact that large parts of S. City aren't booming or safe.
One would think that the population losses would be concentrated on East St. Louis, Venice, Cahokia, Granite City, Alton, etc.kipfilet wrote: What do you mean "you don't see anything"? I would guess that the majority of the people moving out are very low income rural dwellers, aren't you extrapolating from what you see in urban areas such as Belleville etc?
I think it's likely the problem may be as much people aren't moving in as it with out-migration (which afflicts most of the midwest). Metro East generally isn't capturing existing residents moving from the city or STL County like Jefferson and Saint Charles Counties does, and it is losing out to the City (and County) on young people moving into the region. Coupled with likely low international immigration and generally smaller household size, it's hard for it to grow absent a jobs boom.addxb2 wrote: Does anyone have data that could support OR oppose my skepticism of Metro East population decline?
According to the recent estimates, Metro East lost 17,839 while Metro West gained 35,201between 2010 and 2018...
I'll admit that I don't get over there very frequently but I haven't seen anything that has shown me 18,000 people have moved from Metro East.
I wonder how much of the methodology is impacted by Illinois's macro-economic impacts that may not actually be happening (as severely) in this part of the state.
I feel like that's probably a generalization from forty years ago and it's simply stuck. At one time redlining made that almost official, as the only neighborhoods where African Americans were allowed to own or even rent were on the northside or in the metro east. (Often near factories and railroad yards where they could work.) Then two things happened more or less simultaneously in the sixties and seventies: redlining and housing discrimination were outlawed and de-industrialization began to take a toll on America's older industrial hubs. I don't want to get into the causes of de-industrialization as they're really remarkably complicated, but I don't think it's reality or affects are particularly disputed. Anyway, the fallout from these two things was beginning to be felt in the 80s as white families fled the city, maybe the near southside and southern industrial fringe foremost at the time. It was enough of a thing that for a time even the Central West End was actually affordable and hipply alternative. At that time, African American families began moving into the south side in larger numbers. And the far fringes of the south side are still pretty white. Southampton is nothing if not the St. Louis of old. Of course, the only part of town to see significant working class international immigration was probably the south side, as that's where the refugees that landed here actually stayed for a while.ImprovSTL wrote:I always felt it was interesting, when I moved here, that people described the North and South sides as the black and white sides but I have found that certainly isn't true as the southside is the most diverse side of the city. Now maybe the central corridor...
St. Clair County ILaddxb2 wrote: Does anyone have data that could support OR oppose my skepticism of Metro East population decline?
According to the recent estimates, Metro East lost 17,839 while Metro West gained 35,201between 2010 and 2018...
I'll admit that I don't get over there very frequently but I haven't seen anything that has shown me 18,000 people have moved from Metro East.
I wonder how much of the methodology is impacted by Illinois's macro-economic impacts that may not actually be happening (as severely) in this part of the state.
