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StlAlex wrote:

PlatinumBlues wrote:I don’t get the discourse about KC hosting the WC it’s not like STL had a real shot at hosting it in the first place & we’ve likely saved ourselves a lot of embarrassment on how downtown looks specially with the big sinkhole underneath the highway


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The point is KC, like STL, had/has no business hosting the World Cup. FIFA chose KC over a city like Denver or Nashville, and it's just a crazy choice on every level, as we are seeing in real time.

No one is saying STL deserved it or anything like that, it's more just animosity over KC getting spoon fed sh*t it doesn't deserve because it's a golden boy city. Again, KC literally has a higher violent crime rate than STL, but no one is aware of that, in part because eveyone ignores KC's flaws while we have baseball announcers taking cheap shots at STL because stock footage of a fountain downtown had no people in it.

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On the ground my friends doing WC roadtrips said the KC experience is good aside from getting to the stadium later than they would have liked yesterday. Fan Fest was set up well and fans have filled in around the rest of downtown and the Plaza area.

Nashville is probably THE golden boy when it comes to skating past crime. On a metro level their violent crime rates for many years exceeded KC and I believe STL but because they have a merged city and county it’s less apparent.

For WC bidding, it was between KC, Nashville, and Cincinnati to be the Midwest host. KC had the best mix of soccer culture and hosting infrastructure at the time. Back in 2021/22, the Titans were actively lobbying the Nashville and State of Tennessee to fund their new stadium on the grounds that the existing, which would have hosted the WC, was in the bottom tier of NFL stadiums. FIFA was picking between the golden boy NFL cathedral at Arrowhead or a stadium whose owners and tenant were very publicly agreeing was much much worse. Nashville wins on the hotel quality and capacity front though I think KC’s fan fest is a nicer location than something in the heart of Lower Broadway or the Nissan stadium parking lot.

StlAlex wrote:

PlatinumBlues wrote:I don’t get the discourse about KC hosting the WC it’s not like STL had a real shot at hosting it in the first place & we’ve likely saved ourselves a lot of embarrassment on how downtown looks specially with the big sinkhole underneath the highway


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The point is KC, like STL, had/has no business hosting the World Cup. FIFA chose KC over a city like Denver or Nashville, and it's just a crazy choice on every level, as we are seeing in real time.

No one is saying STL deserved it or anything like that, it's more just animosity over KC getting spoon fed sh*t it doesn't deserve because it's a golden boy city. Again, KC literally has a higher violent crime rate than STL, but no one is aware of that, in part because eveyone ignores KC's flaws while we have baseball announcers taking cheap shots at STL because stock footage of a fountain downtown had no people in it.

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I get what you’re saying but saying KC has no real legit reason to host the WC is ludicrous. Hey their slogan is soccer capitol of America so yeah they have a reason to host. If St.Louis leaders behaved in a way that makes it easier to promote development & growth & actually being serious about changing St.Louis’s trajectory in a positive direction while also creating a way that would get crime under control particularly in the north side then I think things would be different & im not blaming the entirety on St.Louis political leaders but our business leaders are truly abysmal when it comes to promoting St.Louis particularly downtown they’ve helped create the exodus & continue to do so without any hesitations or guilt. While I’m not a fan of KC I do think they are every bit of deserving of the WC as other host cities. If St.Louis wants to be off the list of most dangerous cities then they had better change what they are doing now cause the last 80 years has nearly killed this region as a whole..


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StlAlex wrote:

PlatinumBlues wrote:I don’t get the discourse about KC hosting the WC it’s not like STL had a real shot at hosting it in the first place & we’ve likely saved ourselves a lot of embarrassment on how downtown looks specially with the big sinkhole underneath the highway


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The point is KC, like STL, had/has no business hosting the World Cup. FIFA chose KC over a city like Denver or Nashville, and it's just a crazy choice on every level, as we are seeing in real time.

No one is saying STL deserved it or anything like that, it's more just animosity over KC getting spoon fed sh*t it doesn't deserve because it's a golden boy city. Again, KC literally has a higher violent crime rate than STL, but no one is aware of that, in part because eveyone ignores KC's flaws while we have baseball announcers taking cheap shots at STL because stock footage of a fountain downtown had no people in it.

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I get what you’re saying but saying KC has no real legit reason to host the WC is ludicrous. Hey their slogan is soccer capitol of America so yeah they have a reason to host. If St.Louis leaders behaved in a way that makes it easier to promote development & growth & actually being serious about changing St.Louis’s trajectory in a positive direction while also creating a way that would get crime under control particularly in the north side then I think things would be different & im not blaming the entirety on St.Louis political leaders but our business leaders are truly abysmal when it comes to promoting St.Louis particularly downtown they’ve helped create the exodus & continue to do so without any hesitations or guilt. While I’m not a fan of KC I do think they are every bit of deserving of the WC as other host cities. If St.Louis wants to be off the list of most dangerous cities then they had better change what they are doing now cause the last 80 years has nearly killed this region as a whole..


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Okay but you're not understanding KC literally has a worse crime problem than St. Louis and it simply does not matter. You're making out STL's crime as a major problem but in KC it just isn't a problem that carries anywhere near the negative ramifications that it brings to STL.

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Yeah, this attempt to dig up any negative tidbits about the World Cup in KC is pretty sad.  Yeah, there was traffic and delays in getting to the stadium.  It's a massive event with tight security to get in - which was controlled by FIFA. There have been similar security delays at other world cup stadiums. But from the packed crowd, obviously people made it in.
The energy and vibes in the city have been crazy.  At the same time as the match at Arrowhead last night, you had 20k+ people at the Fan Fest:



8K People at Power and Light



Argentinian and Algerian fans have been partying around the city for the past several days, packing bars and the streetcar.  The reviews I have seen from guests have been overwhelmingly positive.  

Argentinians rallying by the Plaza



Algerian fans going crazy in Washington Square Park and the Crossroads:

Lmao now someone literally getting shot/shot at is a negative tid bit. I wish people treated STL the way they treat KC

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StlAlex wrote:Lmao now someone literally getting shot/shot at is a negative tid bit. I wish people treated STL the way they treat KC

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It was just the latest cherry picked negative story posted by DB across his various social media. The national news and reported vibes on the ground are much more positive. Think we should be happy for KC and more focused on how we win the 2031 Women’s World Cup which is being bid on soon.

How do we better ourselves to host the next big event? STL did score a few Olympics games in 2028 which will be fun.

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Lmao now someone literally getting shot/shot at is a negative tid bit. I wish people treated STL the way they treat KC

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Yes. I do too. That’s the point you are missing.

I don’t even care for soccer and don’t watch a whole lot of the world cup and I am even jealous just because of the notoriety and energy KC is getting out of this

And some cities that aren’t hosting are still getting some international attention and visitors but unfortunately I think we are getting passed over because we are becoming less and less known across the world. Obviously the world cup would have helped that

I agree with the commenter that StL’s biggest issue right now is a waning optimism about our region. Just look at the articles and social media commentary coming out of places that aren’t necessarily boom towns like Omaha, KC, Detroit, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, etc. It might be sunshine pumping a little bit but it has slowly attracted developers and people to those places even if the economics aren’t necessarily there. StL publicity is so negative compared to its peers. There are pockets of people doing a great job of promoting the region and showing pride but there’s just a constant vibe and narrative that doesnt match reality of the region and it drives people away


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I think the negativity should be on how many of these stadiums, Arrowhead included, are in absolute crappy locations.  Off the top of my head, stadiums in urban locations are: Seattle, Atlanta, Vancouver, Toronto and I assume the Mexico stadiums. The rest are parking lots with stadiums dropped in them. 

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:I think the negativity should be on how many of these stadiums, Arrowhead included, are in absolute crappy locations.  Off the top of my head, stadiums in urban locations are: Seattle, Atlanta, Vancouver, Toronto and I assume the Mexico stadiums. The rest are parking lots with stadiums dropped in them. 

Even Seattle’s location isn’t great. Close to downtown but not a great neighborhood.


FIFA says KC’s game Tuesday had one of the largest international audiences of any game played thus far.



Do we know if St Louis is bidding on the 2031 Women’s World Cup yet?

ldai_phs wrote:

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:I think the negativity should be on how many of these stadiums, Arrowhead included, are in absolute crappy locations.  Off the top of my head, stadiums in urban locations are: Seattle, Atlanta, Vancouver, Toronto and I assume the Mexico stadiums. The rest are parking lots with stadiums dropped in them. 

Even Seattle’s location isn’t great. Close to downtown but not a great neighborhood.


FIFA says KC’s game Tuesday had one of the largest international audiences of any game played thus far.



Do we know if St Louis is bidding on the 2031 Women’s World Cup yet?

Yes the Sports Commission is putting in a bid for STL at Energizer Park.

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StlAlex wrote:

ldai_phs wrote:

StlAlex wrote:Lmao now someone literally getting shot/shot at is a negative tid bit. I wish people treated STL the way they treat KC

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It was just the latest cherry picked negative story posted by DB across his various social media. The national news and reported vibes on the ground are much more positive. Think we should be happy for KC and more focused on how we win the 2031 Women’s World Cup which is being bid on soon.

How do we better ourselves to host the next big event? STL did score a few Olympics games in 2028 which will be fun.

But it's not cherry picked? A car break in or something like that would be one thing, this is someone literally getting shot and an international tourist experiencing a drive by shooting.

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I’m not going to litigate this anymore but DB consistently cherry picks negative articles about WC and KC generally across his social media platforms. I get why but also it’s boring after a while and not productive.