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What are your creative ideas for Downtown St. Louis?

What are your creative ideas for Downtown St. Louis?

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PostMay 06, 2005#1

Much like there are business incubators for offices, I would love to see a row of storefronts that could be used for retail incubators. Let them be leased for short periods to unique businesses and nurture them along with expert help from the SBA and other successful entrepreneurial mentors.

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PostMay 06, 2005#2

Ideas on a small/medium scale:



Flags- I want to see colors galore. Three types I really want to see, St. Louis flag which rocks, international flags, and flags with the fleur-de-lys which is underutilized here. But don't miss the boat and chince on the flag/pole sizes!



If we're going to have these parking lots/garages taking us over then dress the bitches up with some neon lights or something like midtown has. The Argyle in the CWE has a great neon sign that gives the thing some life (the architecture isn't bad either). Even a zipper could work on the right garage. So simple yet...



Public Library- Beautiful building that needs some dressing up. Needs some landscaping and some fun type of sculpture out on its' grounds. Large colorful banners would help here as well.



Ditch the one way streets!!



Parking meters- get rid of them an implant the system used in NYC where you park then buy a ticket and stick it on your dash. There is a box (a central meter) on each block to do this. Also get rid of the 15 minute parking meters downtown. I work by Union Station and sometimes I head down to Met Square to cash a check and want to eat down there. Only thing open is 15 minute meters so I head out as soon as I finish my mission. I have banned all parking in any garage. (even 30 minute meters would allow someone to grab a bite).



If a building has an open facade lets allow some public art or even some high end advertisments. I like seeing the giant Calvin Kline ads in bustling areas in Boston, NYC, LA, etc. It will only livin up the area and bring in more $. Tell me the back of the KMOX building isn't screaming for something of this nature (side facing west above the International Fur Building).



Keiner- the east end of Kiener is horrible. Build an area for vendors and a small coffee shop, ticketmasters, info center, etc. See Pioneer Square in Portland for reference. It will make the plaza that much more useful and it can be done with taste. I'd also like to see some membrane type stuctures used in Kiener (the white sail type cloth) which could be implemented into my ideal area for vendors.



Get rid of the Sarah sculpture now! Ms. P can put it on her property with the others she has out in Clayton. I know we don't want to hurt her feelings but come on. Then turn the three open blocks into a lifestyle center (i hate that term but you get the idea) with a mix of old/new architecture, residential, office and retail. The cross streets 9th and 10th could remain, pedestrian only.

The open greeness of the gateway mall was taken away with the Peabody tower, let us get on with doing something with the three dead spots.



I'll return later with more.

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PostMay 06, 2005#3

I've got more, but I want to throw this out now.



Lighting, and lot's of it. There are some buildings that are well lit, and they look great. Just look at how the renderings of the Paul Brown Jump out at you. There are lot's of buildings screaming for a proper lighting job, whether it be something like the Library, or even a benign office buildings. Paint a mural on a building like ibleedlou suggested, and then light it up. There are so many possibilities.



Along the same lines, more neon where appropriate. It would be cool to outline the arch in neon. ok maybe not possible, but there are so many possibilities for signage and other uses, as long as it looks good.



Like I said, I will have more later.

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PostMay 06, 2005#4

My idea......



The Artery (An Arts Avenue)



Olive, Market, Washington, Chestnut, or Locust Street, for example, could be given a special permanent designation like certain streets in Chicago, Philadelphia, and New York have. Preferably it'll be a street other than Washington Avenue since it seems to be taking care of itself organically, and has its own niche with historic warehouses.



The designated east/west thoroughfare could have artwork displayed year round on buildings such as banners, building murals, children's art, unique advertisements, and other acceptable canvases, statues, sculptures etc. done in fashionable way so that the art displayed on the street isn't too cluttered.



Light boxes and traffic light signal poles could be painted similar to what has been done in the CWE and downtown Clayton. Animated/high tech window displays, similar to ones that used to be in the AD Brown Building, could be showcased. The street could have themes periodically and street side artists and vendors. The strip would be a far cry from the graffiti wall on the riverfront.



Cities like Chicago (Michigan Avenue) and downtown Kansas City have street art showcases in their downtowns. The difference with St. Louis would be the designated street would become downtown's main art artery specifically meant to showcase art year round.



It would definitely be another draw for tourists, conventioneers, and locals. It could lead to more art galleries and venues locating downtown thus elevating street life. Such a strip would surely garner international attention if done well. This artery (street, avenue) wouldn't preclude other parts of downtown from doing art related projects.



Of course the city, and stakeholders (property owners, residents, and businesses) would have their input.

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PostMay 06, 2005#5

One more quick one- bring back the ice skating rink.

PostMay 06, 2005#6

Arch, that is one of the best and most intriguing ideas for downtown I have heard in years.

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PostMay 06, 2005#7

:D Thanks!

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PostMay 06, 2005#8

Flags- I want to see colors galore. Three types I really want to see, St. Louis flag which rocks, international flags, and flags with the fleur-de-lys which is underutilized here. But don't miss the boat and chince on the flag/pole sizes!


Great idea! I love the St. Louis flag - I'd love to see it everywhere!



I'd like to see something done with the facades of downtown parking garages - especially the two Kiener garages. Maybe paint the St. Louis flag on the facade of one of the garages facing the plaza.



- Redevelop the three square blocks of the Gateway Mall between Gateway One and the Civil Courts building. Use one parcel for a permanent skating rink (like there was in the late 90's) and use the other two parcels for construction of new residential or office towers.



- Clean city hall



- Undertake streetscape improvements on Tucker - make it a grand boulevard again



- Lots of flowers, trees, shrubs, hanging baskets - greenery everywhere!

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PostMay 06, 2005#9

Information Square- A gathering place, but one that incorporates informative media, such as news tickers, video news screens, internet kiosks, innovative magazine stands, electronic stores displaying television sets on the windows, books stores, and other forms of information. It will be a meeting place, a wi-fi hot spot, a place for information. The square will feature internet kiosks, interactive public light and video art, an outdoor television screen featuring news and entertainment, magazine and news stands, and will be surrounded by media related retail and businesses.



Riverboat Shopping, Dining, and theater- Shows, little shops, and fancy dining options for the riverfront.

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PostMay 07, 2005#10

East to West (somewhat):

1.) what ever happened to the park plan for the east side of the river?

2.) Open the upper deck of the Municipal bridge to pedestrian traffic.

3.) clean and light the Eads bridge. not only the bulbs every 20 feet or so, but lights that highlight the masonry of the bridge.

4.) polish the arch, look at the northern leg that faces west..

5.) dig up, expose buried streetcar lines downtown. Bring back street cars, not retro style, maybe ultra modern? See Pyramid's website

6.) get rid of one way streets

7.) Xing's idea of a "media district" was incredible. Just look at Times Square, the Nasdaq building's news ticker, with color, LCD display? etc.

8.) Someone had the idea of ads on buildings, great as well. So many possibilities for this. Look at older photos, what ever happened to all the signage?

9.) Build office/ retail / residential: on the "greenspace" east of Eagleton Court House, the three blocks west of Gateway One Tower, and the blocks west of the Union Pacific Building.

10.) Make surface parking lots illegal

11.) Tear down Marriott Pavillion Hotel, build Frank Gehry style hotel/ office in its place. Normally a preservationist but come on...

12.) Get Emerson to build a 40-story office tower at Tucker and Pine (north of Locust) Express Scripts to old Dillards..

13.) replace all cobra lights with New Yorks (or similar) new design

http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/ ... 41109t.asp

14.) a "usable" Choteau Lake, from Missippi to Forest Park

15.) high speed rail service from Union Station to Chicago.

16.) showers in every office building so people can bike to work

Grand Center:

1.) abolish Grand Center Inc., let the free market handle developing this area. What is up with the Metropolitan Building? The white building just sits there, with NEWLY added boards to the windows.

2.) construct all signage that used to be there. Bring back the "St. Louis" and "Missouri" marquees. Look at the naked steel trusses atop the Fox, and the building next to the Jazz Bistro (used to have a huge Chevrolet sign, I believe)

sorry for the book.

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PostMay 07, 2005#11

This isn't an idea for the city physically. I am moving back to St. Louis soon from Chicago. Something that Chicago has that I think any big city should have is a website like theirs called www.metromix.com.



It is a centralized site where you can look up food, bars, clubs, theater, news, tv, dating site etc. I think the Post-Dispatch website serves this to an extent with their forums, but I think having a site solely dedicated to entertainment of all mediums is something the entire city can gravitate and use to inform everyone of all the fun stuff that is going on currently.



It has reviews to and entrepreneurs can be pushed to be better to get the "good word out" and also entrepreneurs can see what isn't out there and bring to St. Louis more unique and interesting entertainment options that can make our city great.



Sorry for the long winded message.

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PostMay 07, 2005#12

I wrote something like this in an earlier thread [edited and added to in order to make some contextual sense]:



Imagine seeing Citizen Kane or the Godfather one day, in a theatre downtown, and seeing a newer second run film like the Life Aquatic another day, and a horror film like Night of the Living Dead or Army of Darkness another evening. Just a bunch of classic cinema peppered with newer foreign cinema, or other films not typically shown on a screen in St Louis. Concert films, film noir, westerns, whatever! Simply showing first rate classics, maybe with some quality dinner theatre food and drink, would be an excellent idea! You wouldn't even have to have a large typical "theatre," although that would be awesome. You really would just need a room with large projection and some seats in a nice room somewhere.





Basically, my point is that we need more things to do that keep people downtown for long periods of time. We have restaurants now, which is good, and the Bottle District and more is coming.. but we need more in the entertainment "keeping people walking around and doing things" factor.

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PostMay 08, 2005#13

Lighting:

I like the idea suggested above concerning more lighting downtown. In addition to the illuminating of buildings, I think that hanging string lights across streets can add to the ambiance of a city. For example, imagine Washington Avenue with Oriental style lanterns hanging across the street from north to south. Maybe not year round, but for street festivals or the Mardi Grass parade at night. I saw something like this in Barcelona, and it looked beautiful at night. Maybe even develop some sort of ?light festival? on a summer weekend to draw more people downtown. Perhaps an evolved ?Bastille Day? tying in St. Louis? French fur trading roots, showing off the fleur-de-lys (as suggested) and making St. Louie the American ?City of Lights?



Architecture: (OK?.maybe I?m pushing it a bit here)

Once most of the old buildings have been converted to lofts downtown, fill in the holes with new building with diverse architecture. Look to Barcelona and Antoni Gaud? for inspiration. Antoni Gaud? and other architects buildings in Barcelona are simply amazing. It seems that when something new is built in St. Louis, it is usually made to complement the more traditional styles. Why not mix it up? London is an excellent example of old and new mixed together. Modern terraced condos and lofts are being built up and down the Thames River in London. Something like this in St. Louis would offer great views if build along the Mississippi River.



Also, I would love to see a ticker tape parade down Washington Avenue. Maybe St. Louis will get one this fall!

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PostMay 08, 2005#14

It's funny you say that about the lighting on Washington Avenue.



Here's a concept drawing of Washington Avenue.




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PostMay 08, 2005#15

Get rid of the Sarah sculpture now!


I forgot to say I agree 100%! Down with the serra sculpture! Or if it must stay, then allow graffiti artists to paint over the rust.

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PostMay 08, 2005#16

You must be kidding. The Serra sculpture is beautiful. Coreten steel has a delightful patina. It's the rest of the dead "gateway mall" that we need to worry about.

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PostMay 08, 2005#17

1. Widen the sidewalks to 8-12 ft - they're way too narrow as is to facilitate good pedestrian movement. If a lane of traffic disappears in the process, oh well.



2. Turn St. Charles Ave into a pedestrian shopping center. It's nothing more than an unused alley anyways. Just block it off to non service vehicles, drop in some street level retail, and turn the people loose. It worked in Boston's Downtown crossing.



3. Turn the Great American building into a museum. Now that they've left their 2 triangle building, it's the perfect spot for a unique art museum, maybe a real aquarium?



4. Allow street vendors and performers. Yeah, most people think street performers are nothing more than bums with an instrument, but at least they're creative and provide a little more ambiance than holding a cup and begging for change.



5. Encourage the construction of anything on the Gateway Mall. ANYTHING. As long as it's taller than 1 story, let it be built. I don't care what it is, even if it's a 3 story toilet. it's better than what we have now.

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PostMay 08, 2005#18

A 3 story toilet would be awesome. It would probably bring out some bad sayings about the city though, like the city has gone down the toilet, we're full of sh*t, downtown is a real crapper. :lol:



And we talked about the General AMerican Building a long time ago. People suggested a museum like you had, but I think I suggested using it as for more modern art, because the building itself is like a piece of art. Too bad it is not really functional as office space.

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PostMay 08, 2005#19

They need to find a way to link Union Station Shopping with Famous Barr shopping. Maybe create a shopping district between the two places.

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PostMay 08, 2005#20

Xing I like your shopping district idea but from Union Station to Famous is a distance. San Francisco has been quite succesful with its Union Square, which is more central than a Michigan Avenue, but that St. Charles alley is good too except the lack of light due to the closeness of buildings. Maybe the Riverfront Plan could incorporate a riverside shopping area instead. That way it would be tailored to the masses along with our greatest civic asset, the Mississippi, and we could have boat processions/parades. We need a great public place, and the Arch grounds are surrounded by two bridges, the river, and a sunken highway (talk disconnected!).

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PostMay 09, 2005#21

DeBaliviere wrote:


- Clean city hall




I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you on this one, but...(told to me by a friend, who talked with rollin stanley)



At the beginning of slay's first term his wife took charge of this fundraising venture-with a goal of 2 million to get the job done. Well they reached their goal, but had a problem. (begin paraphrase of conversation) The building is sandstone, so they couldn't powerwash it to clean it. The company they hired used chemical cleaners to clean it. However, the stuff STAINED the sandstone inplaces, leaving it looking black. :(



If you look closley at it, you will notice the places where it is not black, are nice and clean, where the treatment worked. Now we have a permanent faux smog tarnish. :x

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PostMay 09, 2005#22

1) City Hall looks great the way it is. Every friend from out of town--especially the Californians--LOVE the way the building has been untouched.

2) Never rid a city of its one-way streets. If every street were two-way, pedestrians would have to deal with left-turn lanes and traffic in every direction. It is easier for both pedestrians and drivers when traffic is controlled as it is, so traffic flows in a circular motion.

3) Allow Express Scripts to build on top of one of the Keiner garages. I'm sure the suburban company would love to have parking in their own building. Another department store can easily be attracted to the Dillard's building.

4) I agree with NEW LIGHTING on Market St. that is timeless and would permanently display the St. Louis flag and the Fleur De Lis. This would add great color to the street without being tacky. I believe it was Don Breckenridge(?) who said that St. Louis should be the "red carpet" of St. Louis.

5) A special license plate for the City of St. Louis, only available to city residents. I have been overwhelmed with compliments on my "Arch" plate. The city plate could look completely different than the rest of Missouri's.

6) Place large banners on the outside of each pier on the double-decker highway 40 and light them. Each pier could also be capped with something decorative and somewhat architecturally significant. We want people to be invited into downtown from the south, not blocked off. If the new stadium is hiding back there, who would know?



This post is long enough for now....but i have much more

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PostMay 09, 2005#23

^Are you kidding? It looks like a giant bird flew over and did its business on it.

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PostMay 09, 2005#24

LOL

I don't know. I guess it kind of reminds me of how big the city used to be. The busy streets polluted with coal fuel. It's a great piece of history. :D

PostMay 09, 2005#25

Just another thing before i turn in for the night...

I believe that the long-time St. Louisans feel that they have lost a sense of identity that they once had with the city. This happens as more new people move in. We need to create a campaign that gives an identity to this new revitalized population, new and old. The first thing that comes to mind is the flag (although i don't want to over-do it). I know many St. Louisans probably don't even know about it. Educate the people on what it symbolizes through newspaper, TV and other media, and create something that St. Louisans can embrace as their own.

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