They're moving fast on these. Foundation work is well underway.
The surface lot is west of this building. And it's owned by the same entity that owns the two office buildings west of Walgreen's on Lindell, Helix Realty. So, it will likely remain a surface lot until those properties are redeveloped.MarkGroth2020 wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020Will the surface parking lot just to the east stay?
I guess another way to put the question about the parking lot is as follows. Does the parking lot itself get a lot of use or does it look like the owner is sitting on the property for the right opportunity to come along?
The townhouse development with its vertical use of space might provide an opportunity for developing parking along similar lines and or the developer a means to support the buyout price if these townhouses sell well.
The townhouse development with its vertical use of space might provide an opportunity for developing parking along similar lines and or the developer a means to support the buyout price if these townhouses sell well.
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The height of this seems off compared to the streetscape. Correct scale and proportion are everything. Don’t think they got it right. Maybe the exterior finishes will help to visually mitigate this.
It does seem taller than the rendering. I'd guess they didn't bury the garage quite as deep to save $, or they didn't have enough room for the ramp off the alley...imran wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2020The height of this seems off compared to the streetscape. Correct scale and proportion are everything. Don’t think they got it right. Maybe the exterior finishes will help to visually mitigate this.
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^^ it's not so much the height that I find awkward but the orientation. "just turn it 90 degrees and cram it in there!"
Now, now, don't judge the building for it's orientation...urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2020^^ it's not so much the height that I find awkward but the orientation. "just turn it 90 degrees and cram it in there!"
And BTW, I do believe TWSS.But yes, it's too bad they couldn't work out a land swap with the parking lot owner to get a nice streetscape with the parking lot buried in the alley.
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How much will this building prompt a near-term development of the parking lot next door into a building, perhaps at a similar height as the West Village Townhomes? Have to think that the building's height relative to its neighbors was a conscious decision related to further construction down the line. That said, all I have is speculation, I think reasonable, but without any firm insight.
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This recent (last 25 years) home construction quality in America absolutely sucks. These suck. Everything in Shaw that UIC does sucks. All the crap in st.Charles sucks
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Oh goodness it looks like a dormitory or some sort of office structure
Would the Hawthorne have been built with this logic? I assume in the 1920s the 4400 block of West Pine was just mansions.
This project is not an apartment tower. I think it falls in the category of missing middle housing. When done right, missing middle visually blends into neighborhoods while expanding housing options beyond single family lots.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Nov 28, 2021Would the Hawthorne have been built with this logic? I assume in the 1920s the 4400 block of West Pine was just mansions.
That entire front facing west pine is ONE housing unit. And it’s ?40% taller than the fourplex next door. How can any of you not see the obvious bloat here?
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Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
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Laife Fulk wrote:Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
Here’s another angle
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Yes the primary facade facing the street is one of its most unflattering aspects. It would probably look better up close and from the east where you can’t easily tell the height difference.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Nov 29, 2021Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
It definitely sticks out from the surrounding style and scale, but I like it for that reason. I think the eccentricity, variety and contrast works here. It's nice that there's some more contemporary looking projects being sprinkled into the eastern CWE like Artizen, 4101 Laclede and this project. Using actual white brick would have been a nice touch.