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PostJan 13, 2007#101

There are always several lights on, especially on the 15th Street side.



I was actually "on stage" on the night of the Bob Seger concert a month back or so. The door from the Scottrade service elevator to the Opera House stage was open and I placed a foot onto the Opera House stage.



It was cold inside and obviously dark. But some of the details on the balconies and trim were awesome. Next time, I will snap a pic or two with the camera phone.

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PostJan 13, 2007#102

youre right ucity. the business taxes are one of the main reasons that we have so many businesses headquartered in des peres, chesterfield, or ofallon. im sure its not as simple as just a bunch of stubborn politicians though, or it would have been changed by now.

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PostJan 13, 2007#103

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I was actually "on stage" on the night of the Bob Seger concert a month back or so. The door from the Scottrade service elevator to the Opera House stage was open and I placed a foot onto the Opera House stage.



It was cold inside and obviously dark. But some of the details on the balconies and trim were awesome. Next time, I will snap a pic or two with the camera phone.


Where is this elevator that you refer to? I'll be at the Scottrade on Monday for the RCHP concert and Wednesday for Seasame Street Live. I'd love to stumble accross this!

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wheelscomp wrote:youre right ucity. the business taxes are one of the main reasons that we have so many businesses headquartered in des peres, chesterfield, or ofallon. im sure its not as simple as just a bunch of stubborn politicians though, or it would have been changed by now.


While this is definitely a factor in the reason so many jobs have left the city, another major reason is that jobs follow bosses. Trends have been identified that jobs follow population movement with a 10-20 year lag. This has been discussed in detail on other areas of the board and is documented in many white flight theory papers. It does make sense if you think about it. If I'm the boss and have a say in the location of my office, I'm going to consider where the majority of the employees live as well as try to make it as close to my home as is reasonable. I think the good news for downtown is the that with the growth of the metro east downtown will again be the center of the region and, at least geographically speaking, a good central location to make commutes even for all workers. Downtown's population growth definitely won't hurt in this area, either. Now if we can just fix the tax problem...

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PostJan 13, 2007#105

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wheelscomp wrote:youre right ucity. the business taxes are one of the main reasons that we have so many businesses headquartered in des peres, chesterfield, or ofallon. im sure its not as simple as just a bunch of stubborn politicians though, or it would have been changed by now.


While this is definitely a factor in the reason so many jobs have left the city, another major reason is that jobs follow bosses. Trends have been identified that jobs follow population movement with a 10-20 year lag. This has been discussed in detail on other areas of the board and is documented in many white flight theory papers. It does make sense if you think about it. If I'm the boss and have a say in the location of my office, I'm going to consider where the majority of the employees live as well as try to make it as close to my home as is reasonable. I think the good news for downtown is the that with the growth of the metro east downtown will again be the center of the region and, at least geographically speaking, a good central location to make commutes even for all workers. Downtown's population growth definitely won't hurt in this area, either. Now if we can just fix the tax problem...


How? I would love to see how we can solve this issue.

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PostJan 14, 2007#106

jondk wrote:Where is this elevator that you refer to? I'll be at the Scottrade on Monday for the RCHP concert and Wednesday for Seasame Street Live. I'd love to stumble accross this!


Back of the house on the Club Level. If you look through the service doors just outside of Club Suite 204/5, it's the door at the back of the room.

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PostJan 15, 2007#107

After reading the article, this is a big deal. Here we have an out of towner, with deeeeep pockets, and real motivation (improve value of franchise, get investors returns) that is picking up the baton from fallen hero Don Breckenridge.



Look at the synergies:



Rehab Kiel opera house, and Sports Capital Partners has an ownership stake in a Production Company...wow. Self Management-means no messing with Clear Channel and sticky trritory issues with Fox...just good old fashioned competition for your entertainment dollar. This should raise the bar for productions at both venues.



Seeking complimentary development sites, and have talked to the mayors office. That screams muni courts building, with its expansive courtyards, primed for a hotel, and the vacant parking lot at 14th and Clark. We're looking at the potential of something signature at the far end of the Stadium district. With Ballpark lofts flying off the shelves, and the Conrad building almost done, this really could be the bookend the area needs.



Add the MVC headquarters (which I presume will begin construction after the multi-modal center is complete) and this part of town looking like a bright future is in the offing.

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PostJan 15, 2007#108

I read the article in the Business Journal too and I have to say that the Kiel Center is forunate that there is a large amount of undeveloped land around the arena and opera house to fuel some great development. As you pointed out WayoftheArch, clearly the old Mini courts building and the parking lot at 14th and Clark (old jail site) should be first on any development area, but there are plenty of other options.



If Checketts is serious about making a BV style development in the area around the Kiel there are many other options to persue. He could work to buy up Union Station and develope residential as part of the station to build the neighborhood. He could work with the city to develop some of the wasted green space along Market in front of the Opera House. But perhaps the best option (though I am a fan of both of the above):



Work with Metro to cover their lines along Clark and build some street level developments. If Checketts is serious and Metro does not do all it can to encourage TOD development by working to sell or lease their air rights across from the Kiel Center, then I will be very disapointed in Metro (and seriously question their comittment to finding additional revnue sources).

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PostJan 15, 2007#109

Will someone be kind enough to post the article in the business journal for those of us too cheap to subscribe. It only lets you read the first paragraph if you aren't a member....

I would be much obliged

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PostJan 16, 2007#110

the article is currently free ... good stuff

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PostJan 16, 2007#111

not online it isnt

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PostJan 16, 2007#112

it's on the front page, titled Checketts puts spotlight on Kiel



but for your convience, here it is.

PostJan 16, 2007#113

hhhhhmmmmmm, something went wrong there, but that should be the proper url. sorry that it is all goofed up.

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PostJan 16, 2007#114

Posting this from the above post of bikini_man



http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stor ... 00^1401030



Checketts puts spotlight on Kiel

St. Louis Business Journal - January 12, 2007

by Christopher Tritto

BRIAN CASSIDY



Executives at SCP Worldwide, owner of the St. Louis Blues, plan to redevelop Kiel Opera House this year and have their eyes on properties adjacent to the Scottrade Center that are ripe for complementary real estate ventures.



SCP hired former Madison Square Garden and Disney executive Dave Kerschner in early August to study real estate opportunities in Salt Lake City, where SCP owns Major League Soccer team Real Salt Lake and will soon begin construction of a soccer stadium. Now his attention is turning to St. Louis

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PostJan 16, 2007#115

Thank you. I can see the article, but underneath it sayd, become a member in order to view the complete article. Something tells me there is more to it, so i was wondering if anyone out there had access to the full text i.e. a registered member.

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PostJan 16, 2007#116

bsharmastl wrote:Posting this from the above post of bikini_man




bikini_man?????



take another look my freind.

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PostJan 16, 2007#117

aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh........ I do apologize.



Sorry man. Next time I will cut and paste :)

PostJan 16, 2007#118

Magnatron wrote:Thank you. I can see the article, but underneath it sayd, become a member in order to view the complete article. Something tells me there is more to it, so i was wondering if anyone out there had access to the full text i.e. a registered member.


Hmmm.... I am not a member, but can view it. I wonder if I registered myself online (sometimes in the past) and for whatever reason the cookie set on my browser is allowing me to see this.

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PostJan 16, 2007#119

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bsharmastl wrote:Posting this from the above post of bikini_man




bikini_man?????



take another look my freind.


So does this mean you do not wear a bikini?



Hopefully this means fewer surface lots around Scott Trade

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PostJan 16, 2007#120

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bikin'_man wrote:
bsharmastl wrote:Posting this from the above post of bikini_man




bikini_man?????



take another look my freind.


So does this mean you do not wear a bikini?






-RBB

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PostJan 16, 2007#121

how did you get a hold of that photo? she said she would not break up with me and that it would not get onto the internet. :oops:



but for the record, i have never worn a bikini, i only ride a bike and she did not break up with me, the wedding is this summer.



now we got that out of our systems, keil opera house, building beautiful. must be fixed. if they renovate it, they will come.

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PostFeb 07, 2007#122

Heres the article:



Checketts puts spotlight on Kiel

St. Louis Business Journal - January 12, 2007by Christopher Tritto



Dave Checketts led the 1997 acquisition and $75 million restoration of New York's historic Radio City Music Hall.

View Larger Executives at SCP Worldwide, owner of the St. Louis Blues, plan to redevelop Kiel Opera House this year and have their eyes on properties adjacent to the Scottrade Center that are ripe for complementary real estate ventures.



SCP hired former Madison Square Garden and Disney executive Dave Kerschner in early August to study real estate opportunities in Salt Lake City, where SCP owns Major League Soccer team Real Salt Lake and will soon begin construction of a soccer stadium. Now his attention is turning to St. Louis.





Kerschner joins SCP Chairman Dave Checketts, SCP partner Ken Munoz and Blues Enterprises Chief Executive Peter McLoughlin in leading local development efforts. SCP's purchase of the Blues from Bill and Nancy Laurie last year included the long-term leases of both the Scottrade Center and the adjoining opera house. But Kiel's doors have remained closed after 15 years.



"In calendar 2007, we will absolutely proceed with some development of Kiel Opera House," Munoz said. "Our goal is to open it as a first-class theatrical venue, and our hope is to book and manage it ourselves."



SCP already has opened talks with two local developers and two national developers, Munoz said, but he declined to name the companies.



Munoz said he also has met twice with city of St. Louis Treasurer Larry Williams to discuss a partnership involving the management, operation and economics of the city-owned parking garage immediately west of the Scottrade Center and Kiel. Munoz said the meetings have been productive, and he expects to have an agreement in place later this year, probably before the next hockey season begins in October.



Other long-range goals include developing adjacent real estate to complement SCP's sports and entertainment venues, Munoz said. Several properties are in SCP's sights.



"We have nothing definitive, but that's our focus," Munoz said. "We are asking, 'How do we extend and continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark streets?'"



Munoz and other SCP executives have met with Mayor Francis Slay and Jeff Rainford, his chief of staff, a few times during the past several months to become better acquainted and discuss development ideas. Talks remain in preliminary stages, but Munoz said tax increment financing (TIF) or other public assistance would be a "critical component" for any development.



Neither Slay nor Rainford could be reached for comment.



Before founding SCP in 2002, Checketts spent 11 years at Madison Square Garden (MSG), including seven as president and chief executive. During those seven years he oversaw operations of the arena, the NBA's New York Knicks, the NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty.



Checketts, 51, led MSG's 1997 acquisition and $75 million restoration of New York's historic Radio City Music Hall, which opened in 1933, one year before Kiel.





Now he wants to do the same thing here and even has shows to stage. SCP is majority owner of Running Subway Productions, formed in 2004 to create, develop, produce and promote live theatrical shows. Its productions of Dr. Seuss' "How the Grinch Stole Christmas! The Musical," "Sinatra" and "Peter Pan" have played to audiences in New York and London.



Running Subway has a multiyear consulting and show investment agreement with Live Nation, the world's largest producer of live concerts, and SCP executives have close contacts with major concert promoter AEG.



A Kiel renovation would pick up the torch carried in recent years by the late downtown developer Don Breckenridge. Breckenridge died Nov. 30, 2005, just as he was closing in on plans to lease Kiel's 3,500-seat main auditorium and four smaller adjoining theaters and begin a $45 million restoration of the building. The opera house closed in 1991 when construction of the arena now known as the Scottrade Center began.



Kiel would compete with other theatrical venues, including the Fox Theatre in Grand Center and The Muny in Forest Park, as well as sports teams, movie theaters and other draws of the entertainment dollar.



Seven blocks east of Kiel, Baltimore-based Cordish Co. and the St. Louis Cardinals have plans to build their $650 million Ballpark Village. With its 50-50 development partner, the St. Louis Cardinals, Cordish expects to break ground this spring on the $387 million first phase, which will include 360,000 square feet of retail and entertainment space in addition to office space and residential units.



Cordish officials could not be reached for comment, but in its TIF application with the city, the developer said it's convinced there is strong demand from nationally based tenants and operators for space at Ballpark Village.



"The majority of the development is under active lease negotiations with the premier operators/concepts/companies in the nation and region," Cordish wrote in its TIF application. To make Ballpark Village a year-round destination, Cordish plans to add live music venues and free entertainment such as concerts and festivals.



The Cardinals expect their baseball team to drive revenue-generating real estate and media deals. Checketts shares that vision for the Blues and Kiel.



Unlike most team owners, who tend to be wealthy individuals or media conglomerates able and willing to bleed cash, New York-based SCP is in business to make money.



Checketts is convinced that the widely held view that sports properties are not investment-grade assets is an outdated one, ignoring the synergies that have arrived among sports, media and real estate. Not only the team but also the land around the arena and the potential to build a media company on the back of live sporting events are driving Checketts' venture.



"I have a very strong belief," Checketts said, "that if you have access to capital and talented people and the opportunity to create assets that are unique -- and that is what sports and entertainment assets are -- you are in for a great ride."



Some powerful investors have bought into Checketts' vision since he formed SCP in 2002. TowerBrook Capital Partners LP, a New York-based private equity firm with $2.5 billion under management, is SCP's primary financial backer in St. Louis. The firm was critical to SCP's $150 million purchase of the Blues, the Scottrade Center and Kiel last June. Wall Street powerhouses Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers are investors in other elements of SCP, which also owns a sports radio station in Salt Lake City and a nascent media business in partnership with IMG, the sports marketing giant of which Checketts is co-chairman.



So far, fans are not returning in SCP's first season of running the Blues, a team that bleeds at least $20 million annually. Blues attendance is the worst in the league, a product of the season-long NHL lockout a year ago and fan fury directed at the previous owners, who traded away top stars in a salary purge.



Jonathan Bilzen, managing director of TowerBrook Capital, said real estate and media are some of the reasons his fund backed Checketts in the Blues.



"Dave understands we are in it to eventually make attractive returns for our investors," said Bilzen, whose fund, in tandem with Checketts, previously backed College Sports Television, which CBS Sports acquired for $325 million last year. "We know that Dave and his team have a lot of work to do, and we are taking a very long-term view on this and don't expect the fans to immediately come back."



With the NHL's new salary cap in place, Checketts said he believes the Blues will be profitable within three years. If attendance were only to return to 2001 levels, because of the new salary cap, he said, the Blues would be profitable by 2008.



"If you look at our collective track record, we have grown earnings and cash flow everywhere we have been," Checketts said. "We have never even been close to being in trouble on loans or debt, and we're entrepreneurs, but we have very strong advisers and capital partners."



SCP is currently a $200 million company by assets, Checketts said. He projects that total to reach $1 billion within five years, based on more acquisitions and growth.



Still, it will be a tough row to hoe. TV station MSG Network carried Knicks, Rangers and New York Yankees broadcasts during Checketts' run in the Big Apple and delivered fantastic returns to Checketts' former employer, Cablevision Systems Corp. But the Blues are locked into a long-term contract with Fox Sports Net Midwest. Whether the consumer and commercial demand for the Blues could ever begin to rival that seen in a big city such as New York is an open question in St. Louis.



Bilzen said he is willing to wait longer than normal, but he still expects a return within seven years.



Checketts' current partners include two of his former MSG lieutenants, Munoz and Mike McCarthy. Their idea is to build an economic structure with the Blues similar to the one that won so much acclaim at MSG a decade ago.











"If you look at our collective track record, we have grown earnings and cash flow everywhere we have been," Checketts said. "We have never even been close to being in trouble on loans or debt, and we're entrepreneurs, but we have very strong advisers and capital partners."



SCP is currently a $200 million company by assets, Checketts said. He projects that total to reach $1 billion within five years, based on more acquisitions and growth.



Still, it will be a tough row to hoe. TV station MSG Network carried Knicks, Rangers and New York Yankees broadcasts during Checketts' run in the Big Apple and delivered fantastic returns to Checketts' former employer, Cablevision Systems Corp. But the Blues are locked into a long-term contract with Fox Sports Net Midwest. Whether the consumer and commercial demand for the Blues could ever begin to rival that seen in a big city such as New York is an open question in St. Louis.

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PostFeb 07, 2007#123

Thanks for posting this. We really need to see Kiel come back to life. It is a crying shame it has been dead for so long becuase of greedy and crooked politics. Hmm... reminds me of our president

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PostFeb 07, 2007#124

I suppose this is pretty good news. So the Kiel Opera would be used as a theatrical venue. Isn't that what the Fox Theater is? Not to be a downer, but why do we need two? What are the similarities/dissimilarities?



As for the political jab above, that is inappropriate to this forum.

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PostFeb 07, 2007#125

innov8ion wrote:I suppose this is pretty good news. So the Kiel Opera would be used as a theatrical venue. Isn't that what the Fox Theater is? Not to be a downer, but why do we need two?


Some sucessful cities can support multiple high quality theaters. Its about time we find out if St. Louis can...

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