why has this been so quiet lately .......
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Because we're all still recovering from the disappointment of learning the Kiel won't be uprooted and dragged down Market to the BPV site!! 
Unfortunately the Kiel may be too far away from BPV to draw additional public interest. I probably passed the Kiel a dozen times before I learn what the heck it was . . . my thought is that until some philanthropic saviour ponies up the cash, or the area surrounding it becomes more energized that nothing will happen.
Unfortunately the Kiel may be too far away from BPV to draw additional public interest. I probably passed the Kiel a dozen times before I learn what the heck it was . . . my thought is that until some philanthropic saviour ponies up the cash, or the area surrounding it becomes more energized that nothing will happen.
I think that this project is still technically a go, but I have some serious misgivings about it.
Really, it would be pretty cool if Emily Pulitzer put up some money to get this thing going. She does have her name on an art museum, and I wouldn't be opposed to renaming it the "Pulitzer Opera House." Maybe we should send her a petition?
Really, it would be pretty cool if Emily Pulitzer put up some money to get this thing going. She does have her name on an art museum, and I wouldn't be opposed to renaming it the "Pulitzer Opera House." Maybe we should send her a petition?
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steve wrote:She does have her name on an art museum...
/Nitpick
It's a "foundation", not a museum.
/end
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I noticed today the "Kiel Opera Redevelopment" sign on the northest corner of the building is gone...
Maybe it blew over or got torn down after the cards won, but I wonder...
Maybe it blew over or got torn down after the cards won, but I wonder...
Hi,
This is my first post; I just joined this message board because I found it very interesting. I would love to see the Kiel Opera House Open again. I've never had a chance to go there before it closed, but from the pictures and from everything I hear, it was a special place. I would love to see the inside, and better yet, be able to see a show there.
This is my first post; I just joined this message board because I found it very interesting. I would love to see the Kiel Opera House Open again. I've never had a chance to go there before it closed, but from the pictures and from everything I hear, it was a special place. I would love to see the inside, and better yet, be able to see a show there.
The original Kiel was quite a busy place. They could actually have two seperate concerts going on, back-to-back, divided by a really, really, thick curtain. The Opera House side was small, while the Auditorium side was much larger. And they could also have a convention going on downstairs.
What year/timeframe are we talking here?Framer wrote:The original Kiel was quite a busy place. They could actually have two seperate concerts going on, back-to-back, divided by a really, really, thick curtain. The Opera House side was small, while the Auditorium side was much larger. And they could also have a convention going on downstairs.
According to St. Louis Landmarks and Historic Districts, it was dedicated in 1934. The Opera House had 3500 seats, and the Auditorium had 12,000. There were also four smaller meeting rooms, and of course the exposition hall in the basement. The St. Louis Symphony played there from 1934 until 1968.
I attended some concerts at Kiel back in the 70's and 80's, and the convention hall was still used quite often until sometime around 1990. The Auditorium section was torn down and replaced by the new Savvis/Scottrade Center in 1994.
I attended some concerts at Kiel back in the 70's and 80's, and the convention hall was still used quite often until sometime around 1990. The Auditorium section was torn down and replaced by the new Savvis/Scottrade Center in 1994.
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The Kiel Auditorium was awesome. I attended many Billiken games there growing up in the 80's. It had two levels, which was perfect for basketball, and if you were sitting in the upper level, you were right on top of the action. It was kind of weird in that there was a stage at one end of the court, but that's where the band/student section sat.
Are there any pic of the inside of the Auditorium when it was in use?
Pics would be good.
Talking of basketball, did STL ever have a pro team?
Talking of basketball, did STL ever have a pro team?
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^ The Atlanta Hawks used to be the St. Louis Hawks.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/st ... hawks.html
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/st ... hawks.html
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And then of course, their was The Spirits of St. Louis.
http://www.remembertheaba.com/Spirits-of-St-Louis.html
http://www.remembertheaba.com/Spirits-of-St-Louis.html
How do I go about buying a basketball team and collecting free checks?
I remember the exposition hall quite well; I went to quite a few events down there in the late 80's, early 90's. Didn't they used to have a huge Christmas show there each year? Is the hall still there, or was it removed when they tore down the auditorium? I was actually in the auditorium a couple of times as well before it was tore down, but don't remember too much about it. Just never been in the Opera House.
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The Business Journal is reporting that Dave Checketts' group plans to redevelop the Opera House this year and "has its eyes on properties adjacent to the Scottrade Center that are ripe for complementary real estate ventures."
Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
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DeBaliviere wrote:The Business Journal is reporting that Dave Checketts' group plans to redevelop the Opera House this year and "has its eyes on properties adjacent to the Scottrade Center that are ripe for complementary real estate ventures."
Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
Just what that area needs - some movers and shakers. Hopefully he is successful.
Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
The answer didn't happen to be "We need more public funds from the City," did it?
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bonwich wrote:Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
The answer didn't happen to be "We need more public funds from the City," did it?
LOL!
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bonwich wrote:Ken Munoz from Sports Capital Partners is quoted as saying, "We are asking, 'How do we continue the downtown renaissance to 14th and Clark Streets?'"
The answer didn't happen to be "We need more public funds from the City," did it?
Actually, yes it did!
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I am alone in thinking our tax system is idiotic? Essentially St. Louis has a mildly anti-business tax structure (ie - they tax them more than competing cities). But then we turn around and give millions of dollars to every business that asks for it. Wouldn't it be easier to simply lower taxes on businesses across the board ... at the very least it would generate less paperwork. Does not the fact that we have to send tax dollars TO businesses to get them to stay/relocate/deevlope here mean that we are takign too much from them up front?
I'm hardly a tax expert (don;t even do my own) so I'm waiting for someone to show me how dumb my analysis is
I'm hardly a tax expert (don;t even do my own) so I'm waiting for someone to show me how dumb my analysis is
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The sad part is if it hadn't been for Larry Rice, The Kiel development would have been far enough along to not have been stopped by the death of Don Breckenridge