St. Louis Lambert Int. Airport [airline/hub/operations/info]

ldai_phs · Post2:39 PM - Today#100512026-10-22T14:39+00:00

soulardx wrote:I'd love to see this - headed to Mexico City next month! - but is there really enough PDEW to bring a flight here? I think KC has a larger hispanic population than STL. And, as far as I know, there is no commercial, codeshare, or alliance partnership between Aeroméxico and Southwest Airlines.

Delta maintains a 20% ownership stake in AeroMexico (had been 49% until the 2022 bankruptcy).

Yes, Mexico operates a consulate in Kansas City and there are around 2x more Hispanic persons in the KC Metro vs STL. 3x if you count St Joseph, Lawrence, and Topeka.

Keep in mind that KC’s Mexico heritage skews towards Guadalajara and not Mexico City.

dredger · Post2:45 PM - Today#100522026-10-22T14:45+00:00

soulardx wrote: ↑
2:27 PM - Today
I'd love to see this - headed to Mexico City next month! - but is there really enough PDEW to bring a flight here? I think KC has a larger hispanic population than STL. And, as far as I know, there is no commercial, codeshare, or alliance partnership between Aeroméxico and Southwest Airlines.

Like STLCityMike, I think this is a great pickup for STL. On business, family and tourist front. Hope it happends

Don't have hard data but people tell me about going to Mexico City for vaca just as much or even more so then going to the beaches. Great city with more going on then ever (you will have the masses of people and traffic), easy to get to from states (wish they would do customs on Mexico side just like Toronto & Montreal) and some pretty good/direct coach service from airport terminal to some of the larger cities outside of Mexico City.

matguy70 · Post4:11 PM - Today#100532026-10-22T16:11+00:00

Skeptical too. MCI may pick it up, which we would be good for them. But as for pure numbers, there are so many markets that Aeromexcio would want before MCI, IMO.

addxb2 · Post4:31 PM - Today#100542026-10-22T16:31+00:00

I don't think this is a competition. Both or neither could get the route. MEX is not an essential service for either though so lets not conflate this as some big "AwWweE wE MiSseD iT" next week. There is no evidence that STL is working on this route and in fact we have the Port Authority telling media that outside of Air Canada (YVR), their priority is supporting our already impressive 2027 service offering. Travelers next summer will have KEF, LHA, FRA, YUL, YYZ, and a long list of Caribbean destinations to support.

The current PAX data for MEX and other Central American destinations. It's essentially a tie.

Screenshot 2026-10-22 at 11.33.02 AM.png (42.45KiB)

soulardx · Post4:44 PM - Today#100552026-10-22T16:44+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
4:31 PM - Today
I don't think this is a competition. Both or neither could get the route. MEX is not an essential service for either though so lets not conflate this as some big "AwWweE wE MiSseD iT" next week. There is no evidence that STL is working on this route and in fact we have the Port Authority telling media that outside of Air Canada (YVR), their priority is supporting our already impressive 2027 service offering. Travelers next summer will have KEF, LHA, FRA, YUL, YYZ, and a long list of Caribbean destinations to support.

The current PAX data for MEX and other Central American destinations. It's essentially a tie.
Screenshot 2026-10-22 at 11.33.02 AM.png

nice find on that data and thanks for sharing!

I only brought KC into it because I recently saw stats on hispanic populations and was surprised to see KC ahead of STL. Not like it was huge numbers for either mind you. Also, with KCI absent any "real" international destination, I could see them throwing subsidies at MEX.

Do you understand *exactly* what the "beaches and Caribbean without non-stop" is supposed to communicate?

jshank83 · Post4:49 PM - Today#100562026-10-22T16:49+00:00

matguy70 wrote: ↑
4:11 PM - Today
Skeptical too. MCI may pick it up, which we would be good for them. But as for pure numbers, there are so many markets that Aeromexcio would want before MCI, IMO.

I’d expect MCI get it before us just because they are a much stronger delta airport than we are and Aeromexico is a strong delta partner. And I can’t imagine our numbers to MEX are all that different

addxb2 · Post4:59 PM - Today#100572026-10-22T16:59+00:00

soulardx wrote: ↑
4:44 PM - Today
addxb2 wrote: ↑
4:31 PM - Today
I don't think this is a competition. Both or neither could get the route. MEX is not an essential service for either though so lets not conflate this as some big "AwWweE wE MiSseD iT" next week. There is no evidence that STL is working on this route and in fact we have the Port Authority telling media that outside of Air Canada (YVR), their priority is supporting our already impressive 2027 service offering. Travelers next summer will have KEF, LHA, FRA, YUL, YYZ, and a long list of Caribbean destinations to support.

The current PAX data for MEX and other Central American destinations. It's essentially a tie.
Screenshot 2026-10-22 at 11.33.02 AM.png
nice find on that data and thanks for sharing!

I only brought KC into it because I recently saw stats on hispanic populations and was surprised to see KC ahead of STL. Not like it was huge numbers for either mind you. Also, with KCI absent any "real" international destination, I could see them throwing subsidies at MEX.

Do you understand *exactly* what the "beaches and Caribbean without non-stop" is supposed to communicate?

Its not good math, I would ignore it. Places where MEX would be a one-stop option but it would compete against plenty of other one-stop options in Dallas, Miami, Houston, etc. Only a small share of that number would opt to go through MEX over other one-stop options.

soulardx · Post5:02 PM - Today#100582026-10-22T17:02+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
4:59 PM - Today
soulardx wrote: ↑
4:44 PM - Today
addxb2 wrote: ↑
4:31 PM - Today
I don't think this is a competition. Both or neither could get the route. MEX is not an essential service for either though so lets not conflate this as some big "AwWweE wE MiSseD iT" next week. There is no evidence that STL is working on this route and in fact we have the Port Authority telling media that outside of Air Canada (YVR), their priority is supporting our already impressive 2027 service offering. Travelers next summer will have KEF, LHA, FRA, YUL, YYZ, and a long list of Caribbean destinations to support.

The current PAX data for MEX and other Central American destinations. It's essentially a tie.
Screenshot 2026-10-22 at 11.33.02 AM.png
nice find on that data and thanks for sharing!

I only brought KC into it because I recently saw stats on hispanic populations and was surprised to see KC ahead of STL. Not like it was huge numbers for either mind you. Also, with KCI absent any "real" international destination, I could see them throwing subsidies at MEX.

Do you understand *exactly* what the "beaches and Caribbean without non-stop" is supposed to communicate?
Its not good math, I would ignore it. Places where MEX would be a one-stop option but it would compete against plenty of other one-stop options in Dallas, Miami, Houston, etc. Only a small share of that number would opt to go through MEX over other one-stop options.

ahh, so it's just total trips to Mexico/Caribbean overall. inclusive of all the beach and resort destinations. got it. yeah, irrelevant.