Unless the garages were initially engineered with upward expansion in mind, I doubt that simply adding more floors would be realistic. At their age, and with the expense involved, it would probably be more cost effective to demo them and start from scratch.
They were built to support towers above them, but I agree that these monstrosities should to come down and replaced altogether. Upgrading them would be an improvement, but at the end of the day they're still ugly, squatty concrete parking blocks that detract from the urban cityscape. Start over.
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Arch to Park Equity is no longer part of GSL, its a standalone real estate investment fundaddxb2 wrote: ↑8:38 PM - 2 days agoThis amount of real estate is either owned or being sought by the City or Greater STL Inc. Pretty remarkable opportunity.
Just some random thoughts on downtown that might be completely misguided. Nothing profound here. I feel like St Louis (as a city and region) often gets ahead of themselves on peripheral developments before they even approach critical mass in core areas. In regards to projects in the city, developments located in isolated or restricted access areas like Gateway South, The Armory, and Steelcote seem like projects that should happen out of necessity once the adjacent area is popping at the seams. When I think of the quickest way to impactful downtown revitalization, I think the city should focus the bulk of the settlement money specifically on Pine, Olive, and Locust from 4th street to Tucker. This area encompasses AT&T, Keiner, Wainwright, Railway Exchange, Chemical Building. I believe Washington Avenue has a strong enough built environment that it would develop organically as a result of the added density of Pine, Olive, and Locust. These streets can be a pretty spectacular environment of urban canyons that can’t be replicated in downtowns like Kansas City. The acquisition of the Keiner garages makes it seem feasible that the bulk of the remaining surface lots on these three streets could also be obtained at some point. Overall, my concern is that the city will spread the downtown settlement money over 100 square blocks and the effects will barely be noticed. With that said, I’m not suggesting that the city discourage development outside of the area I mentioned. Phase 3 of Ballpark Village, the Millenium site, and the growth around Energizer Park will all be impactful and contribute to the vibrancy of Downtown and Downtown West. I also understand that I’m oversimplifying and probably idealizing how a lot of this development I’m suggesting would take place.
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Here is a look at the most recent leasing of Kiener garages. The listing has since been removed. Hopefully a sign of quick work. It’d be great to have some improvements before the holidays.
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I wonder if they could land a retail/department style store as opposed to just restaurants.
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Interesting that they don't promote the old St. Louis Bread Co space (#10) as restauant while the Hooters and TGIFridays spaces still do.addxb2 wrote: ↑2:12 AM - 2 days agoHere is a look at the most recent leasing of Kiener garages. The listing has since been removed. Hopefully a sign of quick work. It’d be great to have some improvements before the holidays.
I remember back in my younger years when I would grab Hardee's and take it into the Cardinals game with me. Hopefully we can see a couple fast-ish casual options go in.
I still stop at the Jimmy Johns and take that in sometimes.jshank83 wrote: ↑5:38 AM - 1 day agoI remember back in my younger years when I would grab Hardee's and take it into the Cardinals game with me. Hopefully we can see a couple fast-ish casual options go in.
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I was looking at this yesterday, feels like something is brewing here.addxb2 wrote: ↑8:38 PM - 2 days agoThis amount of real estate is either owned or being sought by the City or Greater STL Inc. Pretty remarkable opportunity.
If Santa Barbara can put a Marshalls on their prestigious State St pedestrian mall in a former bank building, they can certainly plop one into the Keiner Garages too.StlAlex wrote: ↑3:14 AM - 2 days agoI wonder if they could land a retail/department style store as opposed to just restaurants.
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But what about the institution that is Chili Mac's Dinerrrrrrrrrrrrstlgasm wrote: ↑9:13 PM - 2 days agoThey were built to support towers above them, but I agree that these monstrosities should to come down and replaced altogether. Upgrading them would be an improvement, but at the end of the day they're still ugly, squatty concrete parking blocks that detract from the urban cityscape. Start over.
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There needs to be patios and street facing establishments all up and down Chestnut and Market if the Gateway Mall is ever going to work the way it should. That type of development and use since the Gateway Mall was created has been pretty poor but these civic orgs interested in the long term health of downtown should be seeking any types of use and development that begin to create that environment
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i miss Caleco's. such a great place for late night eats. Ever since covid, it feels illegal to eat after 9pm.
Facade mapped projections would be a really cool way to activate the garages and draw some crowds to Kiener Plaza at night.
God forbid you work a second job in the evening and want a decent meal after work. And it's not just a St. Louis thing either as it's even challenging in bigger cities like Chicago and Atlanta.dylank wrote: ↑5:06 PM - 1 day agoi miss Caleco's. such a great place for late night eats. Ever since covid, it feels illegal to eat after 9pm.
Hopefully Sybergs can slot back in Kiener Plaza. They also used to have a full menu late but then rolled it back to just appetizers and pizza a couple of years ago.
I'd forgottent that was there. Looks like they close a little early for night games
Isn't the Pop's place open till like 2 AM?dweebe wrote:God forbid you work a second job in the evening and want a decent meal after work. And it's not just a St. Louis thing either as it's even challenging in bigger cities like Chicago and Atlanta.dylank wrote: ↑5:06 PM - 1 day agoi miss Caleco's. such a great place for late night eats. Ever since covid, it feels illegal to eat after 9pm.
Hopefully Sybergs can slot back in Kiener Plaza. They also used to have a full menu late but then rolled it back to just appetizers and pizza a couple of years ago.
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Pops Pizza and Wings is 2 am and has been highly rated.
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maybe some news tomorrow regarding some of the most talked about downtown buildings?
or maybe not
or maybe not
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Pretty sure DB was referring to the new ownership of the Kiener Plaza garages.BarryGlick wrote: ↑12:19 AM - 1 day agomaybe some news tomorrow regarding some of the most talked about downtown buildings?
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Our local media is a joke, they got the wrong parking garages on Fox 2. They even interviewed the people about the wrong garages.
New owners to turn St. Louis parking garages into art hubs
New owners to turn St. Louis parking garages into art hubs
I watched that fully with my jaw open...lol. Wooowww....How embarassing. Media just don't do any research anymore...jacob_rb_15 wrote: ↑4:09 PM - 1 day agoOur local media is a joke, they got the wrong parking garages on Fox 2. They even interviewed the people about the wrong garages.
New owners to turn St. Louis parking garages into art hubs