Heck y'all, we're losing population and therefore tax revenues. Meanwhile, data centers can pay a whole lot into tax coffers. It's becoming less and option and more of a necessity based on demographics.
So confident yet so completely wrong. Never change.
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5 ways data centers endanger their local communities and the country as a whole
https://theconversation.com/5-ways-data-centers-endanger-their-local-communities-and-the-country-as-a-whole-282348
https://theconversation.com/5-ways-data-centers-endanger-their-local-communities-and-the-country-as-a-whole-282348
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I'm not sure population loss necessarily equates to tax loss. Kids don't pay a lot of taxes, for instance. There's not really a tax on people.gone corporate wrote: ↑8:42 PM - Jun 08Heck y'all, we're losing population and therefore tax revenues. Meanwhile, data centers can pay a whole lot into tax coffers. It's becoming less and option and more of a necessity based on demographics.
All that said, how much tax revenue will these facilities really bring in anyway? They're not likely to raise the property values much, so I don't imagine they'll result in a big net increase in real estate taxes. They don't employ many people, so you won't get a lot of payroll tax out of them. They're not going to provide sales taxes. Exactly what taxes are we going to get from them? Keep the land productive. Get some real estate tax if you can. But let's not kid ourselves, these aren't likely to lay any golden eggs. So sure, allow them to go up in appropriately zoned areas as long as they satisfy reasonable safety and emission standards. As long as they can be good neighbors. (And right now, I'm a little concerned on that front.) But in a lot of ways, this really is something that can go out in the middle of nowhere. No real need to be close to anything except telecoms and power. (And a real need to be far away from things it might otherwise damage.)
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^ Realistically only property taxes. But if they all get property tax abatements to get built, then there's no point.
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I am very curious what % of the tax dollars promised vs collected is going to look like on these data centers after ten years. These giant numbers are all flouted by the companies building them and I've not really seen much independent analysis.
Many I am sure will find a way around these taxes eventually as well
Many I am sure will find a way around these taxes eventually as well
^Correct. They expect us to pay for the vast digital prison they're constructing for us.
You could argue that most new development in the city is getting some form of tax abatement and a lot of times break on city sales taxes for certain building materials. But also, the taxes collected on the abatement is still greater than what is being paid now on what is empty lots or defunct properties with little or no assessed value. In addition, securing investment on property that will be paying/generating more tax revenues when abatement expires another win.Trololzilla wrote: ↑5:38 AM - Jun 09^ Realistically only property taxes. But if they all get property tax abatements to get built, then there's no point.
Once again, my argument is St. Louis is land rich. Can't support a lot lot of development and this is one niche in an old industrial area that once again has a lot space and relatively minimal investment over decades.
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“We pissed off a lot of people”: Giant data center plan cut 50% amid protests
Developer felt “beaten up,” with “no choice” but to shrink data center.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/06/we-pissed-off-a-lot-of-people-giant-data-center-plan-cut-50-amid-protests/
Developer felt “beaten up,” with “no choice” but to shrink data center.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/06/we-pissed-off-a-lot-of-people-giant-data-center-plan-cut-50-amid-protests/
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Sure, but at least with something like an apartment complex, you're getting other tax revenue by the people that move in that pay income and sales taxes. As it stands, the tax abated data centers do nothing but take up land (without much or any pay), cause pollution, suck up utilities, and don't really provide many jobs.dredger wrote: ↑7:03 PM - Jun 09You could argue that most new development in the city is getting some form of tax abatement and a lot of times break on city sales taxes for certain building materials. But also, the taxes collected on the abatement is still greater than what is being paid now on what is empty lots or defunct properties with little or no assessed value. In addition, securing investment on property that will be paying/generating more tax revenues when abatement expires another win.Trololzilla wrote: ↑5:38 AM - Jun 09^ Realistically only property taxes. But if they all get property tax abatements to get built, then there's no point.
Once again, my argument is St. Louis is land rich. Can't support a lot lot of development and this is one niche in an old industrial area that once again has a lot space and relatively minimal investment over decades.
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Amazon Says Its Data Centers Use 2.5 Billion Gallons of Water
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/amazon-says-data-centers-2-130000972.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/amazon-says-data-centers-2-130000972.html
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Doesn't it take like way more water to grow vegetables or grow meat?BarryGlick wrote: ↑6:09 PM - Jun 11Amazon Says Its Data Centers Use 2.5 Billion Gallons of Water
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/amazon-says-data-centers-2-130000972.html
We use water for things. We use it make other things that are better.
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Well, we need to eat food. We don't need to push everything to AI and optimize SVA for AWS.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑7:58 PM - Jun 11Doesn't it take like way more water to grow vegetables or grow meat?BarryGlick wrote: ↑6:09 PM - Jun 11Amazon Says Its Data Centers Use 2.5 Billion Gallons of Water
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/amazon-says-data-centers-2-130000972.html
We use water for things. We use it make other things that are better.
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Push to ban large-scale data center development in St. Louis fails as zoning rules head to aldermen
https://www.stlpr.org/government-politics-issues/2026-06-11/ban-large-scale-data-center-development-st-louis-fails-zoning-rules-aldermen
https://www.stlpr.org/government-politics-issues/2026-06-11/ban-large-scale-data-center-development-st-louis-fails-zoning-rules-aldermen
Some Electricians Think Building Data Centers Is for Sellouts
Big Tech is throwing big money into data center buildouts. As national opposition to the facilities grows, some workers are beginning to question whether it’s worth it.
https://www.wired.com/story/data-center ... lling-out/
Big Tech is throwing big money into data center buildouts. As national opposition to the facilities grows, some workers are beginning to question whether it’s worth it.
https://www.wired.com/story/data-center ... lling-out/
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... layco.html
Festus' $6 billion data center is being shrunk by 40%.
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Festus' $6 billion data center is being shrunk by 40%.
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Time for city to bulldoze and redevelop some of the north riverfront industrial space for data centers.
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My recent bike ride had me going on the riverfront trail for the first time. It was a bit depressing after biking other trails to see several abandoned and neglected empty warehouses on the north riverfront. It does need soemething.
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BOA Pres Deep Dive on Data Centers
https://mailchi.mp/7a49824ae1b7/deep-di ... 4b438cbeb3
https://mailchi.mp/7a49824ae1b7/deep-di ... 4b438cbeb3
A MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT
For the last year, the Planning Commission has been hard at work developing a regulatory framework for data centers in St. Louis City. A few weeks ago, they officially sent proposed regulations to the Board of Aldermen. Knowing this issue is novel and complex, the Board has held several committee hearings, but the bill has yet to be voted on.
In this issue of Deep Dive, I want to provide some background on the data center issue. What is a data center? Why are they so controversial? What’s my position on the issue? And then I’ll provide an overview of the Planning Commission’s proposed regulations and how the Board has amended them. Continued....
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‘We are screwed’: People near data centers dread heat wave pollution
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/01/data-center-boom-collides-with-record-heat-testing-power-grid-00983009
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/01/data-center-boom-collides-with-record-heat-testing-power-grid-00983009
New York state is issuing a moratorium on new data center construction.
St. Charles County approved a 6-month data center moratorium.
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St. Charles County approved a 6-month data center moratorium.
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Politico: GOP governors, utilities join Trump data center pledge. “Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte, Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon and Missouri Gov. Mike Kehoe have all signed the White House’s so-called Ratepayer Protection Pledge, a set of principles committing data center developers to pay for their fair share of energy and water use, along with electric grid improvements and maintenance, according to officials in each state. Electric utilities are also expected to sign the pledge, according to seven people familiar with the plans.” I’d rather a law than a pledge. https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/14/gop-governors-utilities-join-trump-data-center-pledge-00998098
They're doing the same fake BS in the healthcare field, pledging to voluntarily reform bad practices to placate the rubes and avoid actual regulation.BarryGlick wrote: ↑12:15 PM - 6 days agoPolitico: GOP governors, utilities join Trump data center pledge. “Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte, Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon and Missouri Gov. Mike Kehoe have all signed the White House’s so-called Ratepayer Protection Pledge, a set of principles committing data center developers to pay for their fair share of energy and water use, along with electric grid improvements and maintenance, according to officials in each state. Electric utilities are also expected to sign the pledge, according to seven people familiar with the plans.” I’d rather a law than a pledge. https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/14/gop-governors-utilities-join-trump-data-center-pledge-00998098
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Data centers have united Americans of both parties in a shared hatred
Feeling ignored by political and economic powers, people are rallying against computer hubs over concerns about their communities’ future.
https://archive.ph/gCFwJ
Feeling ignored by political and economic powers, people are rallying against computer hubs over concerns about their communities’ future.
https://archive.ph/gCFwJ
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I hope those apposed are getting paid by China for spreading their propaganda for then.