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PostJul 14, 2025#26

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quincunx wrote:Just get rid of the highway, sheesh.

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I see your photo of Dallas shows that malformed tall arch with cables holding up a car bridge over a — crick.  I think Dallas has been trying to think up a symbol that would separate their skyline from all the other lookalike square tower chiclet skylines. Like what St Louis, Seattle, SF, NY, & Chicago have.

They have had that geodesic ball on a stick for several years now.  Looks kind of dated now, and Knoxville and Vancouver have those too.  I think their arch bridge was a new attempt.  


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The bridges go over the flood plain of Trinity River - they span from levee to levee.  We used to drink "down at the trinity" a few miles upstream from there when I was in high school.  

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PostSep 10, 2025#27

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/dart- ... l/3916513/

DART approves service cuts to save $42 million over the next 2 years.

The cuts include the elimination of 7 bus lines, reduced peak-hour frequency on trains and buses, and reduced on-demand service.

The cuts are in part because of new costs to run the Silver Line commuter train.

PostSep 16, 2025#28

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/

AT&T is looking for 1 million sf of office space outside of downtown Dallas, primarily in the suburbs.

As of 2022, they had 2 million sf of office space and 6,000 workers downtown.

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PostSep 16, 2025#29

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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/

AT&T is looking for 1 million sf of office space outside of downtown Dallas, primarily in the suburbs.

As of 2022, they had 2 million sf of office space and 6,000 workers downtown.
Just imagine if we had 6K AT&T workers in Downtown STL.

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Post9:34 PM - Jan 05#30

Where have I heard this before?


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Post6:24 PM - Jan 14#31

dweebe wrote:Where have I heard this before?

The main competitors to AT&T are located in similar corporate campuses with lots of green space (Verizon in Basking Ridge and T-Mobile HQ’s in Bellevue and Overland Park).




I wonder if this influenced AT&T’s thinking in any way.


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Post6:47 PM - 4 days ago#32

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... 247687.php

AT&T new headquarters updates:

They have selected Plano, TX for their new HQ, and there is quite the deal here.

-65% property tax break acorss 25 years
-Option for a 10 year extension at 25%
-At least $1.35 billion in development
-10,000 employees at the site
-At least 25 years of occupancy
-At least 2 million square feet of development
-$20 million in additional incentives

Current plans call for 2.3 million square feet of construction across the 54-acre campus. The office campus will include a daycare, nearly an acre of greenspace, and a 280 foot "landmark" tower that will resembed Dallas' iconic "Reunion Tower". Other than the tower, the tallest building will be 8 stories. Several parking garages are also planned to be constructed.

AT&T's CEO said they will like to begin occupying the building in the 2nd half of 2028, but will likely keep some workers at the downtown headquarters until the lease expires in 2031.

Edit: Downtown Dallas' office market is in similar shape to downtown STL, 30-35% vacant at the moment.

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Post3:54 PM - 4 days ago#33

StlAlex wrote:
6:47 PM - 4 days ago
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... 247687.php

AT&T new headquarters updates:

They have selected Plano, TX for their new HQ, and there is quite the deal here.

-65% property tax break acorss 25 years
-Option for a 10 year extension at 25%
-At least $1.35 billion in development
-10,000 employees at the site
-At least 25 years of occupancy
-At least 2 million square feet of development
-$20 million in additional incentives

Current plans call for 2.3 million square feet of construction across the 54-acre campus. The office campus will include a daycare, nearly an acre of greenspace, and a 280 foot "landmark" tower that will resembed Dallas' iconic "Reunion Tower". Other than the tower, the tallest building will be 8 stories. Several parking garages are also planned to be constructed.

AT&T's CEO said they will like to begin occupying the building in the 2nd half of 2028, but will likely keep some workers at the downtown headquarters until the lease expires in 2031.

Edit: Downtown Dallas' office market is in similar shape to downtown STL, 30-35% vacant at the moment.

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Thanks for sharing this.

As one who views tax subsidies with (sometimes) extreme skepticism, it's interesting to see that even in one of the 2 biggest boomtowns in the country, tax subsidies are the norm.   How do those property tax breaks compare to what STL does or doesn't do when it comes to tax subsidies for development?

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Post4:36 PM - 3 days ago#34

soulardx wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
6:47 PM - 4 days ago
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... 247687.php

AT&T new headquarters updates:

They have selected Plano, TX for their new HQ, and there is quite the deal here.

-65% property tax break acorss 25 years
-Option for a 10 year extension at 25%
-At least $1.35 billion in development
-10,000 employees at the site
-At least 25 years of occupancy
-At least 2 million square feet of development
-$20 million in additional incentives

Current plans call for 2.3 million square feet of construction across the 54-acre campus. The office campus will include a daycare, nearly an acre of greenspace, and a 280 foot "landmark" tower that will resembed Dallas' iconic "Reunion Tower". Other than the tower, the tallest building will be 8 stories. Several parking garages are also planned to be constructed.

AT&T's CEO said they will like to begin occupying the building in the 2nd half of 2028, but will likely keep some workers at the downtown headquarters until the lease expires in 2031.

Edit: Downtown Dallas' office market is in similar shape to downtown STL, 30-35% vacant at the moment.

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Thanks for sharing this.

As one who views tax subsidies with (sometimes) extreme skepticism, it's interesting to see that even in one of the 2 biggest boomtowns in the country, tax subsidies are the norm.   How do those property tax breaks compare to what STL does or doesn't do when it comes to tax subsidies for development?
STL has a significantly higher property tax rate, but Dallas actually has a lower rate. The tax break Plano is giving them actually seems to align what they'll be paying with what they would be paying if they built in Dallas.

Dallas metro seems sorta like the STL metro but arguably even worse. You have a ton of different markets that genuinely hate each other competing for business.

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Post7:29 PM - 3 days ago#35

We have a higher property tax even though Texas has no income tax?

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Post7:32 PM - 3 days ago#36

moorlander wrote:
7:29 PM - 3 days ago
We have a higher property tax even though Texas has no income tax?
Yeah I never heard that before. I heard property taxes in Texas are some of the highest in the country.

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Post7:40 PM - 3 days ago#37

Texas has no state property tax, Plano's property tax rate is $1.7077 per $100.

For reference, Texas' yearly budget is only about 3x that of Missouri's dispute having more than 5x Missouri's population. The primary way the state raises money is via the sales tax, which is 6.5%.

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Post8:55 PM - 3 days ago#38

StlAlex wrote:
7:40 PM - 3 days ago
Texas has no state property tax, Plano's property tax rate is $1.7077 per $100.

For reference, Texas' yearly budget is only about 3x that of Missouri's dispute having more than 5x Missouri's population. The primary way the state raises money is via the sales tax, which is 6.5%.

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Post9:27 PM - 3 days ago#39

goat314 wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
7:40 PM - 3 days ago
Texas has no state property tax, Plano's property tax rate is $1.7077 per $100.

For reference, Texas' yearly budget is only about 3x that of Missouri's dispute having more than 5x Missouri's population. The primary way the state raises money is via the sales tax, which is 6.5%.

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"Texas has no state property tax. Local governments set tax rates and collect property taxes that they use to provide local services including schools, streets, roads, police, fire protection, and more. Your locally elected officials (school trustees, city council members, county commissioners) decide your property tax burden. These local officials can also help answer questions and respond to inquiries.

The Texas Legislature does not set the tax amount of your local taxes nor does your local appraisal district."

https://www.texas.gov/living-in-texas/p ... nsparency/

Texas does not levy a state property tax.

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