They would under your plan which I believe puts MO at the 2nd highest state income tax regime (for high income earners).JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Did all of the white professionals run from MO to KS from 2012 to 2016? No.ldai_phs wrote: ↑2:38 AM - Jan 14A potential issue with this is that every white color professional on the Missouri side of the KC metro runs for KS. Less of an issue here in St Louis. Top of mind over there.quincunx wrote:That'd put the tax cut/ tax increase line at about $309k, so maybe the progression should be steeper.
$0 - 10k 0%
$10k - 50k 3% of > $25k
$50k - 75k $1200 plus 5% of > 50k
$75k - 125k $2450 plus 8% of > 75k
$125K - 200k $6450 plus 10% of > 125k
$200k and up $13950plus 12% of > 200k
The break even would be at $102k. I think that's about the top 20% would get a tax increase
Keep in mind these brackets are after deductions. The standard deduction for 2025 is $15,750.
The high property taxes, though they are quite reasonable at my brother's house in Sangamon County, and lack of a progressive income tax are connected. Just like in MO when the state doesn't show up, counties, cities, and school districts have to make it up, thus the very high sales taxes around here. Yes, voters rejected allowing a progressive income tax, because just like in MO, people have been lied to that income taxes are the worst. $60M in oppo campaign mostly funded by one billionaire worked. Downstaters haven't figured out a progressive income tax would make the Chicagoland subsidizing the rest of the state even larger because incomes are higher there.Fraydog wrote: ↑2:43 PM - Jan 14IL also has severe property tax at TX levels from its time as a more purple state. Not to mention the state voted down a progressive tax referendum. IL voters aren’t immune from dumb decisions.quincunx wrote:The top rate was 6% starting at $9k in 2015. Now it's 4.7% starting at $9,191. What do we have to show for this cut? The Gov today was complaining about stagnant population and job growth. It's not working.
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People in downstate Illinois don’t want to rely on wealth transfers from Chicago for prosperity. They want their industries back.quincunx wrote: ↑3:22 PM - Jan 14The high property taxes, though they are quite reasonable at my brother's house in Sangamon County, and lack of a progressive income tax are connected. Just like in MO when the state doesn't show up, counties, cities, and school districts have to make it up, thus the very high sales taxes around here. Yes, voters rejected allowing a progressive income tax, because just like in MO, people have been lied to that income taxes are the worst. $60M in oppo campaign mostly funded by one billionaire worked. Downstaters haven't figured out a progressive income tax would make the Chicagoland subsidizing the rest of the state even larger because incomes are higher there.Fraydog wrote: ↑2:43 PM - Jan 14IL also has severe property tax at TX levels from its time as a more purple state. Not to mention the state voted down a progressive tax referendum. IL voters aren’t immune from dumb decisions.quincunx wrote:The top rate was 6% starting at $9k in 2015. Now it's 4.7% starting at $9,191. What do we have to show for this cut? The Gov today was complaining about stagnant population and job growth. It's not working.
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It won’t happen. We killed our productive base so that bankers and fund managers in places like Chicago could eke out another percent or two of returns.
Ffs, we’re a maritime power that can’t even make boats.
Ffs, we’re a maritime power that can’t even make boats.
And then those same people spends millions to defeat a progressive income tax.
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Everyone voted against Pritzker’s reasonable tax amendment. Even the democrats.
Yeah, it lost by 6.5 points. Like I've been saying, convincing people that income taxes are the worst has been among the biggest scams going lately. Dems should be cautious on running on "Tax the rich" this year.
Kudos to North Carolina for helping people.
A note for MOLeg and the Gov, this is how it's done, not some income tax elimination scheme.
NPR - A free program erased medical debt for millions of North Carolina residents
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/14/nx-s1-56 ... -residents
NCDHHS - Governor Stein, NCDHHS Announce More Than $6.5 Billion in Medical Debt Erased in North Carolina
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-relea ... h-carolina
A note for MOLeg and the Gov, this is how it's done, not some income tax elimination scheme.
NPR - A free program erased medical debt for millions of North Carolina residents
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/14/nx-s1-56 ... -residents
NCDHHS - Governor Stein, NCDHHS Announce More Than $6.5 Billion in Medical Debt Erased in North Carolina
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-relea ... h-carolina
And yet as someone who lives downstate on the IL side, local officials are incompetent at drawing any sort of industry in.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:People in downstate Illinois don’t want to rely on wealth transfers from Chicago for prosperity. They want their industries back.quincunx wrote: ↑3:22 PM - Jan 14The high property taxes, though they are quite reasonable at my brother's house in Sangamon County, and lack of a progressive income tax are connected. Just like in MO when the state doesn't show up, counties, cities, and school districts have to make it up, thus the very high sales taxes around here. Yes, voters rejected allowing a progressive income tax, because just like in MO, people have been lied to that income taxes are the worst. $60M in oppo campaign mostly funded by one billionaire worked. Downstaters haven't figured out a progressive income tax would make the Chicagoland subsidizing the rest of the state even larger because incomes are higher there.Fraydog wrote: ↑2:43 PM - Jan 14IL also has severe property tax at TX levels from its time as a more purple state. Not to mention the state voted down a progressive tax referendum. IL voters aren’t immune from dumb decisions.
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The core problem is that really none of our levels of government properly use tax money, meaning people don't see the benefit of higher taxation. Add on decades of a propaganda campaign about how it's morally degenerate to rely on the government.
If the government upheld its moral duty and provided high end or even average services for the taxes we pay, people would not be nearly as opposed to higher taxation as they currently are. Hopefully people like Zohran Mamdani (and....Kathy Hochul??) can start changing this sentiment by enacting good policy with their tax money. Congestion pricing was an amazing start on that front.
And like most issues in America, a lot of it comes back to the fact half the country lives in low tax government subsidized suburbs who abhor those who "live off" the government while being blissfully unaware that their way of life relies on government subsidy (which is a horrible waste of our tax money).
What I'd love is for MO to slash the state sales tax so STL could justify an increase so we can keep more of our tax revenue in STL because I feel like STL spends tax money far better than Missouri.
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If the government upheld its moral duty and provided high end or even average services for the taxes we pay, people would not be nearly as opposed to higher taxation as they currently are. Hopefully people like Zohran Mamdani (and....Kathy Hochul??) can start changing this sentiment by enacting good policy with their tax money. Congestion pricing was an amazing start on that front.
And like most issues in America, a lot of it comes back to the fact half the country lives in low tax government subsidized suburbs who abhor those who "live off" the government while being blissfully unaware that their way of life relies on government subsidy (which is a horrible waste of our tax money).
What I'd love is for MO to slash the state sales tax so STL could justify an increase so we can keep more of our tax revenue in STL because I feel like STL spends tax money far better than Missouri.
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The state's decision to move to Chesterfield just keeps getting more expensive.
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The state's decision to move to Chesterfield just keeps getting more expensive.
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There was a story going around on Reddit with a map of states showing their minimum wage. While ours isn't the highest, it's not too shabby. That got me thinking, how do we compare when you adjust the minimum wage for the cost of living. Thankfully, the Missouri Economic Research and Information Center had a solid table with all the US states, plus DC and Puerto Rico and an adjustment they called Composite Cost of Living Index. The index treats the US mean as 100 and gives each state as a percentage of that. I plugged all the data into Excel and divided the minimum wage of each state by that percentage, expressed as a decimal. In our case, 15/.89 yields an adjusted minimum wage of $16.85. Assuming the state's numbers are accurate, we presently have the highest adjusted minimum wage of any state-level jurisdiction in the nation. Which called for a map, of course.
Of course, the big takeaway from all this is that when we make our own laws they're pretty good. But when our elected leaders make them for us, they're horrid.
Of course, the big takeaway from all this is that when we make our own laws they're pretty good. But when our elected leaders make them for us, they're horrid.
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That's pretty impressive - the city/state should be using this for PR/Marketing for sure!
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Wow. It’s almost as if the Democrats should adopt a progressive populist platform instead of running on democracy and solidarity with Israel. Crazy.
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Didn't Cori Bush just lose? She ran a pretty progressive platform. If she couldn't win in District 1 there's no way for her to win statewide.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑3:28 PM - Jan 15Wow. It’s almost as if the Democrats should adopt a progressive populist platform instead of running on democracy and solidarity with Israel. Crazy.
The best performing "democratic" senate candidate in 2024 was Dan Osborn. Pro Gun, Pro Law Enforcement Pro Border enforcement. https://www.osbornforsenate.com/platform
That really feels like the stances Democrats need to take if they want to win power in a state like Missouri.
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Running on centrism was the approach in 2024 nationwide. It was a catastrophe.
Shocking that Liz Cheney wasn’t able to bring out the democratic base.
Shocking that Liz Cheney wasn’t able to bring out the democratic base.
The spending in that race was $3.3M for Cori Bush and $12M for Wesley Bell, along with the Dem establishment. Not exactly a fair race lol.mjbais1489 wrote:Didn't Cori Bush just lose? She ran a pretty progressive platform. If she couldn't win in District 1 there's no way for her to win statewide.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑3:28 PM - Jan 15Wow. It’s almost as if the Democrats should adopt a progressive populist platform instead of running on democracy and solidarity with Israel. Crazy.
The best performing "democratic" senate candidate in 2024 was Dan Osborn. Pro Gun, Pro Law Enforcement Pro Border enforcement. https://www.osbornforsenate.com/platform
That really feels like the stances Democrats need to take if they want to win power in a state like Missouri.
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Was it? The main issues in debate were inflation and illegal immigration. They were issues because the policy (at least from 2021-2023) from Biden/Harris was pretty progressive and the American people did not like how that turned out. The best performing senate candidate ran on some pretty right wing ideas on those subjects and came incredibly close to winning.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑7:45 PM - Jan 15Running on centrism was the approach in 2024 nationwide. It was a catastrophe.
Shocking that Liz Cheney wasn’t able to bring out the democratic base.
I think its worth thinking about a democratic party that can win in missouri, Nebraska, iowa, tennesse, etc. in addition to normal swing states. Being locked out of power would be bad.
No, the issues hammered by Trump and Co were trans people and race whistles.
Meanwhile Harris went to the center, shut off Walz, and courted the Cheneys.
Meanwhile Harris went to the center, shut off Walz, and courted the Cheneys.
Evidently she wasn’t at the center of the voter poolquincunx wrote:No, the issues hammered by Trump and Co were trans people and race whistles.
Meanwhile Harris went to the center, shut off Walz, and courted the Cheneys.
Turns out there weren't enough votes in the center to overcome racism and turned off Dem base voters.
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