PostJul 14, 2025#526
Boeing workers rejected their contract offer. Could strike in a little over a week. Not sure what the no vote was for. The proposal seemed good to me but I no zero of the back story.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... d9ce0b346f
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... d9ce0b346f
It was a good offer. They're hoping that Boeing caves like they did with the Seattle workers last year.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2025Boeing workers rejected their contract offer. Could strike in a little over a week. Not sure what the no vote was for. The proposal seemed good to me but I no zero of the back story.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... d9ce0b346f
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Korean Air makes airline’s biggest-ever Boeing jet order amid Trump-Lee summit
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/korean-air-makes-airlines-biggest-ever-boeing-jet-order-amid-trump-lee-summit-2025-08-26/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/korean-air-makes-airlines-biggest-ever-boeing-jet-order-amid-trump-lee-summit-2025-08-26/
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Boeing just announced they are moving all FA-18 upgrade work out of STL. The ultimate FAFO.
This is a big deal which could become bigger. Much bigger than the whining going on about a billion dollar boondoggle for a 5.5 mile track.
This is a big deal which could become bigger. Much bigger than the whining going on about a billion dollar boondoggle for a 5.5 mile track.
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^Another possible explanation:
USAF Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin said Monday, at a USAF/USSF aerospace convention, that production of the F-47 has officially begun.
Now, the new production facilities on the Brownleigh site are still very much under construction. Boeing has to be utilizing the F/A-18 production line, in whole or in part, to center production of the F-47. So, maybe it's not that they're punishing the striking workers by moving F/A-18 work out of STL as much as they're constrained on how much operating capacity they currently have for new fighter development, compelling the company to relocate the F/A-18 upgrade work to another site in order to make room at Hazelwood for the F-47.
USAF Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin said Monday, at a USAF/USSF aerospace convention, that production of the F-47 has officially begun.
Now, the new production facilities on the Brownleigh site are still very much under construction. Boeing has to be utilizing the F/A-18 production line, in whole or in part, to center production of the F-47. So, maybe it's not that they're punishing the striking workers by moving F/A-18 work out of STL as much as they're constrained on how much operating capacity they currently have for new fighter development, compelling the company to relocate the F/A-18 upgrade work to another site in order to make room at Hazelwood for the F-47.
These fighter jets are a far bigger boondoggle lmaowhitherSTL wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025Boeing just announced they are moving all FA-18 upgrade work out of STL. The ultimate FAFO.
This is a big deal which could become bigger. Much bigger than the whining going on about a billion dollar boondoggle for a 5.5 mile track.
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^^Is there really not enough space up there? I am not that familiar with where they are at space-wise to date. How many jobs would this impact? How long would that work last ( the FA18 work we'd be losing)?
Who are the candidates to get the work? (Cities/locations/plants)
Who are the candidates to get the work? (Cities/locations/plants)
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gone corporate wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025^Another possible explanation:
USAF Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin said Monday, at a USAF/USSF aerospace convention, that production of the F-47 has officially begun.
Now, the new production facilities on the Brownleigh site are still very much under construction. Boeing has to be utilizing the F/A-18 production line, in whole or in part, to center production of the F-47. So, maybe it's not that they're punishing the striking workers by moving F/A-18 work out of STL as much as they're constrained on how much operating capacity they currently have for new fighter development, compelling the company to relocate the F/A-18 upgrade work to another site in order to make room at Hazelwood for the F-47.
Well the union not happy about it.
Jaxonville, San Antonio, maybe San Diego.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025^^Is there really not enough space up there? I am not that familiar with where they are at space-wise to date. How many jobs would this impact? How long would that work last ( the FA18 work we'd be losing)?
Who are the candidates to get the work? (Cities/locations/plants)
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They’re asking for the same raise the Puget Sound machinists got in their last CBA. Seems perfectly reasonable. Boeing should stop putting profits ahead of national security and pay its people.
No one is losing their job. They need space to build the next gen planes.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025^^Is there really not enough space up there? I am not that familiar with where they are at space-wise to date. How many jobs would this impact? How long would that work last ( the FA18 work we'd be losing)?
Who are the candidates to get the work? (Cities/locations/plants)
“More than 100 Boeing workers modify, upgrade and repair the fighter jets at the Berkeley site, according to company spokesman Kurt Labelle. After Boeing ends those operations in 2027, the workers will instead support the new F-47 sixth generation fighter jet program, according to a news release from Boeing.”
And that doesn’t include the jobs they will add for all the new manufacturing space they are building.
Correct. They're obviously fast tracking F-47 production. Once the new buildings are operational we'll have more people working than we've had in years.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025No one is losing their job. They need space to build the next gen planes.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 24, 2025^^Is there really not enough space up there? I am not that familiar with where they are at space-wise to date. How many jobs would this impact? How long would that work last ( the FA18 work we'd be losing)?
Who are the candidates to get the work? (Cities/locations/plants)
“More than 100 Boeing workers modify, upgrade and repair the fighter jets at the Berkeley site, according to company spokesman Kurt Labelle. After Boeing ends those operations in 2027, the workers will instead support the new F-47 sixth generation fighter jet program, according to a news release from Boeing.”
And that doesn’t include the jobs they will add for all the new manufacturing space they are building.
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All things considered, 100 jobs or not, I think we'd all prefer to be greedy & keep those 100 jobs, on top of the new jobs that will be created.
This strike needs to end regardless!
This strike needs to end regardless!
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It's not like they are out of space, they still have a bunch of open real estate (what I assume was former McDonnell Douglas) over by and including Boeing Building #2 (which looks abandoned)
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Business Journal doing its best to platform bootlickers with this op Ed
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 6#cxrecs_s
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 6#cxrecs_s
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^Think minimal negatively. It's still too early to guess what the final report would be, but I'll presume some of what we'll learn is that it's much harder to source original parts and pieces of MD passenger aircraft. It may be possible that the shippers want to suddenly retire the old MDs in favor of more modern aircraft for parts, pieces, and maintenance training. Hell, I think Boeing could even see more 767s retired from passenger service and converted into freighters, succeeding the MD-11Fs more fully, which in turn would lead to more passenger jetliner sales to replace those 767s.
^ Would it be a good chance that the maintenance/repair was 3rd party? Which probably another buffer and or minimizes Boeing liability risk further. Have no idea but assume UPS would be more likely to use 3rd party than say one of the major airlines.
Yea, Maintenance is the airline or a third party. Boeing doesn’t do that for airlines. Airlines do a lot of their own but for the heavy checks they can get sent to 3rd parties. This one just had gone thru a bigger maintenance. Now sure if UPS did it themselves or not.
Hard to overstate the drag this ordeal has had on the regional economy at an already delicate point for manufacturing.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 6efca.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 6efca.html
Boeing submitted their plans for the northern track at STL today. Will be nice to see that area put back to use. Not sure what and Electromagnet verification facility is but it sounds cool. I also can't wait to see the new fighter flying around.
https://stlouisco.civicweb.net/document ... DE5F748B47
EDIT: the biz journal article explains it. An electromagnetic verification facility is a specialized testing ground that ensures a fighter jet's electronic systems are resistant to electromagnetic interference and do not interfere with other systems.
https://stlouisco.civicweb.net/document ... DE5F748B47
EDIT: the biz journal article explains it. An electromagnetic verification facility is a specialized testing ground that ensures a fighter jet's electronic systems are resistant to electromagnetic interference and do not interfere with other systems.
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^Yeah, looking forward to seeing the aircraft rolling down a runway. And glad to see the expansion going forward. Thanks for posting that!