North Tucker Blvd

stldotage · PostOct 02, 2025#12025-10-02T15:49+00:00

Anyone have any information on this? https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=16731

Summary
The overall purpose for this bill is to conditionally vacate the following alleys and street: 13th Street from Cole Street to Dr Martin Luther King Drive, the 12 foot wide north-south alley in City Block 270 as bounded by Carr Street, Tucker Boulevard, Cole Street and 13th Street (vacated) and the 20 foot wide east-west alley in City Block 547 as bounded by Cole Street, 13th Street, Dr Martin Luther King Drive and 14th Street.The Petitioner is MT North Tucker JV, LLC.

The vacated area will be used to consolidate property for construction of an athletic field and future stadium.

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I hope 911 Tucker is safe from whatever is occurring here.

quincunx · PostOct 02, 2025#22025-10-02T16:02+00:00

911 Tucker is not in a historic district or preservation review district.

stldotage · PostOct 02, 2025#32025-10-02T16:04+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 02, 2025
911 Tucker is not in a historic district or preservation review district.

It is a City Landmark though: https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -House.cfm

quincunx · PostOct 02, 2025#42025-10-02T16:09+00:00

OK good.

addxb2 · PostOct 02, 2025#52025-10-02T16:11+00:00

… future stadium?

NWSL? MRL?

stldotage · PostOct 02, 2025#62025-10-02T16:18+00:00

Screenshot 2025-10-02 111718.png (298.69KiB)

Looks like they own everything between 14th (west), Carr (north), Tucker (east) and MLK (south), except for the 911 North Tucker historic home...

PeterXCV · PostOct 02, 2025#72025-10-02T16:52+00:00

dbInSouthCity · PostOct 02, 2025#82025-10-02T17:00+00:00

There is no fields or stadium planned. This was a drafting error and will be cleaned up tomorrow at the full board meeting

Miss Shell · PostOct 02, 2025#92025-10-02T19:13+00:00

I park in the lot that surrounds that building. I've always wondered what it's significance was.

addxb2 · PostOct 02, 2025#102025-10-02T19:25+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:There is no fields or stadium planned. This was a drafting error and will be cleaned up tomorrow at the full board meeting

Happen to know what is actually planned?

dbInSouthCity · PostOct 02, 2025#112025-10-02T19:41+00:00

Surface parking for the Post building.

Ragtimer · PostOct 03, 2025#122025-10-03T02:20+00:00

^??? There already seems to be plenty of surface parking surrounding the Post Building, and a garage directly east of it. Are they tearing down the building with the big antenna tower south of McDonalds?
In a more ideal world, they might consider building a parking garage on an existing surface lot or something if they needed more parking. Too bad that more parking lots are in store for this area.

Miss Shell · PostOct 03, 2025#132025-10-03T02:58+00:00

I work for Block, which used to occupy the vast majority of the building. Pre-Covid we only were able to work from home if we were scheduled on the weekends. Post-Covid working from the office is voluntary. I typically go in once a week or more depending on what special events are thrown by our office experience team. I like free food and alcohol. Since few workers actually come to the office these days, they downsized our overall footprint and there are different businesses that occupy the upper two floors. I also know some public agencies have utilized the large first floor meeting room for various events. I wonder if there's now a business need to provide more parking space, although currently the parking lot is still less than half full. We don't have access tothe parking garage just east of the building. I believe that's still used solely by the Post-Dispatch.

Ragtimer · PostOct 03, 2025#142025-10-03T04:51+00:00

^Thanks for this information. It's helpful to hear from someone who works in the building. From your experience, it definitely seems like they don't need to add more parking. I sure hope they're not planning to demo 911 Tucker (or any structure, for that matter) to build unneeded surface parking.

PostOct 04, 2025#152025-10-04T05:35+00:00

Landlord seeks to sell Post-Dispatch Building on 10th St. - stltoday.com
(Yes, I know it's technically not on North Tucker, but it's close enough and is relevant to this discussion)

The building that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch currently resides in has been listed for sale by the owner for $3.3 million.

The Post-Dispatch, having a multi-year lease, will remain in this space if the building sells. The newspaper relocated to this building in 2019.

The StarWood Group which owns the building has been unable to find additional tenants for the 3-story, 74,000 sq ft building that dates back to the 1980s. StarWood has owned the building since 2018. They plan to focus more on their neighboring property, The Post Building, at 900 N Tucker.

The above summary was written by me the old-fashioned way, without the use of AI

Auggie · PostOct 15, 2025#162025-10-15T17:30+00:00

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

Aldermen advanced a plan to sell the InterCo Plaza to the StarWood Group for $275,000 to be made into a parking lot.

Wouldn't it be preferable for the city to build a parking lot itself and then sell the parking so the city generates revenue long term?

Also, the idea that there isn't enough parking downtown is delusional. But this park does seem to be a nuisance.

jtlq53 · PostOct 15, 2025#172025-10-15T18:35+00:00

I can't say I love it but Berglund is right in saying that white-collar workers here expect close parking, and if they want employees there, so be it... I think this corridor is a long way away from densifying anyway.

PeterXCV · PostOct 15, 2025#182025-10-15T18:47+00:00

Auggie wrote: ↑
Oct 15, 2025
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

Aldermen advanced a plan to sell the InterCo Plaza to the StarWood Group for $275,000 to be made into a parking lot.

Wouldn't it be preferable for the city to build a parking lot itself and then sell the parking so the city generates revenue long term?

Also, the idea that there isn't enough parking downtown is delusional. But this park does seem to be a nuisance.

I agree with you, cities need to get back in the business of generating revenue through ownership over just taxes. I feel like the city has basically tapped out on sales tax, they're already high, even higher in the various CIDs that cover most of the places people spend money and don't generate all that much revenue.

Auggie · PostOct 15, 2025#192025-10-15T18:56+00:00

PeterXCV wrote: ↑
Oct 15, 2025
Auggie wrote: ↑
Oct 15, 2025
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

Aldermen advanced a plan to sell the InterCo Plaza to the StarWood Group for $275,000 to be made into a parking lot.

Wouldn't it be preferable for the city to build a parking lot itself and then sell the parking so the city generates revenue long term?

Also, the idea that there isn't enough parking downtown is delusional. But this park does seem to be a nuisance.
I agree with you, cities need to get back in the business of generating revenue through ownership over just taxes. I feel like the city has basically tapped out on sales tax, they're already high, even higher in the various CIDs that cover most of the places people spend money and don't generate all that much revenue.

What we need is for the state to cut its sales tax so the city can raise its own. But they'll never do that because the sales tax doesn't disproportionately affect the wealthy.

Ragtimer · PostOct 16, 2025#202025-10-16T02:55+00:00

Auggie wrote: ↑
Oct 15, 2025
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

Aldermen advanced a plan to sell the InterCo Plaza to the StarWood Group for $275,000 to be made into a parking lot.

Wouldn't it be preferable for the city to build a parking lot itself and then sell the parking so the city generates revenue long term?

Also, the idea that there isn't enough parking downtown is delusional. But this park does seem to be a nuisance.

I always thought InterCo Plaza looked really cool from the air (i.e. satellite maps) but from sidewalk level, it's really not appealing at all. Way too much concrete, not enough shade, and with that chain-link fence around the perimeter, it really can't function as a public space. Not surprising that they've been having issues with homeless. All three of these plazas, InterCo especially, just seem like dead space. No incentive to go there, no nearby restaurants from where people might eat their lunch, not even a bench (from what I can see).

Still don't see why they need more parking. They've got plenty within a very small proximity of the Post Bldg. and they can't even fill the big lot across Tucker.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostOct 16, 2025#212025-10-16T13:05+00:00

They don’t need more parking for employees but employer sees opportunity to get more abundant parking and more money from parking. There’s plenty of parking downtown StL for 5x the amount of office workers down there on a given day but parking is just unfortunately one of those things at the top of people’s minds and drives the human race crazy so people need more, more, more. Gluttonous for parking

They want to turn the area into a tech hub, maybe have a proposal for some kind of partnership with a college to build new education space, modern office to attract tenants from the outer county or outside the region, or transform the park into something usable for employees and residents or anything that actually contributes to downtown and metro StL. Parking doesn’t and I can’t believe people can walk around downtown and think yep, that’s what downtown needs to save it

Auggie · PostOct 16, 2025#222025-10-16T15:12+00:00

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑
Oct 16, 2025
They don’t need more parking for employees but employer sees opportunity to get more abundant parking and more money from parking. There’s plenty of parking downtown StL for 5x the amount of office workers down there on a given day but parking is just unfortunately one of those things at the top of people’s minds and drives the human race crazy so people need more, more, more. Gluttonous for parking

They want to turn the area into a tech hub, maybe have a proposal for some kind of partnership with a college to build new education space, modern office to attract tenants from the outer county or outside the region, or transform the park into something usable for employees and residents or anything that actually contributes to downtown and metro StL. Parking doesn’t and I can’t believe people can walk around downtown and think yep, that’s what downtown needs to save it

American race not human race.

Ragtimer · PostOct 18, 2025#232025-10-18T16:58+00:00

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑
Oct 16, 2025
They don’t need more parking for employees but employer sees opportunity to get more abundant parking and more money from parking. There’s plenty of parking downtown StL for 5x the amount of office workers down there on a given day but parking is just unfortunately one of those things at the top of people’s minds and drives the human race crazy so people need more, more, more. Gluttonous for parking

They want to turn the area into a tech hub, maybe have a proposal for some kind of partnership with a college to build new education space, modern office to attract tenants from the outer county or outside the region, or transform the park into something usable for employees and residents or anything that actually contributes to downtown and metro StL. Parking doesn’t and I can’t believe people can walk around downtown and think yep, that’s what downtown needs to save it

CityNerd guy talks about cities that destroy their downtowns with parking. St. Louis isn’t actually mentioned in the video but a map of Downtown STL shows up near the start. Thought this might be relevant.

dredger · PostOct 19, 2025#242025-10-19T02:57+00:00

Can also blame technology as well. The property owner only needs to have a few signs thrown up on the property and everything from there is just an app on the smart phone.

Ragtimer · PostOct 30, 2025#252025-10-30T06:04+00:00

Sale of St. Louis park wins initial OK from aldermen - STLtoday.com

City aldermen gave initial approval on Friday, Oct. 24 to sell InterCo Plaza to the owner of the neighboring Post Building. If sold, the Post Bldg. owner plans to demolish the now-barricaded plaza and build a parking lot to serve their office tenants. A final vote is set for this week

The motion was approved despite opposition, which warned that the bill would violate a city charter amendment from 2007 which requires voter approval for any sale of parkland. A small group of opponents urged the board to delay the vote based on this claim.

Alderman Rasheen Aldridge, whose ward encompasses InterCo Plaza, says the sale is both legal and a good idea. "This is a location that nobody in my community looks at as a park," Aldrige said. Attorney Dave Sweeney also told aldermen that the plaza was never designated as a park by ordinance, apparently making the motion to sell the land exempt from voter approval. Mayoral spokesman Rasmus Jorgensen also echoed this view.

The plaza has long suffered several difficulties, including a malfunctioning waterfall fountain, homeless encampments, and a murder which prompted Square (now Block) to close its offices while the city secured the plaza.

Also see: https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 8749f.html