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I like many of the points.  $10k isn't going to buy an annual social media strategy and content production though.  More like $100k.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

I like many of the points.  $10k isn't going to buy an annual social media strategy and content production though.  More like $100k.

I interpreted it as each of the top 15 companies donate $10k, meaning the total would be $150k.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

I like many of the points.  $10k isn't going to buy an annual social media strategy and content production though.  More like $100k.

its $150,000 annually (15x10k)

FROM PARKING SPACES TO LIVING SPACES
Why turning underutilized surface parking into homes makes financial sense.
https://schoolofcities.github.io/underutilized-parking-lots-toronto/

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

I like many of the points.  $10k isn't going to buy an annual social media strategy and content production though.  More like $100k.

its $150,000 annually (15x10k)

I see now.  Thanks! That would definitely get savvy hands into the mix.

There is a coordinated PR campaign coming from
Explore /GSL that will really push one message to the world about STL

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 28, 2025

There is a coordinated PR campaign coming from
Explore /GSL that will really push one message to the world about STL

But will the world listen?

GSL seems like it’s been off the radar the last year or so.

Appreciate the reporting and your commitment to the issue. If "cars pulling up" is a part of this supply chain, wouldn't eliminating the opportunity to pull over or park create a reasonable disruption in the process? Enough where the drug pushers would move elsewhere?

Block the parking along the north side of Pine, reduce lane widths. Designate the angled parking on the south side of Pine as Memorial Visitor Only. Block parking on west side of 13th, maybe both sides. Trim lane width with barriers on 14th and Olive to prevent pulling over. 

I know it's easier said than done, but it sounds like you could have SLMPD post up there to scare off or arrest the dealers that keep showing up. The dealers are literally coming straight to YOU, you don't even have to track them down to figure out where they're doing business.

Lacledes Landing Dog Park is locked & underused. What if we turned into The River Hangout, with a shipping container of rotating breweries/restaurants selling drinks and snacks with a stage for live music. This overlooks the river and the train going by

Looks like an amazing idea!

I agree. Add some color changing lights and it would be a hit for evening drinks.

Here was some Photoshop fun I had recently in trying to show small or minor adjustments versus large projects. Murals and planters on broadway.

Next weekend

3 cardinals games (F/S/S)

City game (Sat)

Chris Brown at the Dome (F)

Sexyy Red at enterprise (Sat)

NASCAR across the river (all weekend)

Sexy Red was postponed, not happening Saturday.

Enterprise center is still showing it and ticket master is still selling tickets

Here's the email I received 10 days ago. Haven't heard anything since.

How….

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

Worth a shot

With regards to #5, in a similar vein, have any downtown orgs tried working with big name regional retailers/restaurants to have a downtown location, especially those further away from the core? There’s a few I can think of that would attract people and be good demonstrations of StL culture for visitors.

Would be definite hits:
-Ted Drewes
-A Ben Poremba concept (he has his hands full with maker district and tornado recovery right now though)
-A Gerard Craft concept
-Balkan Treat Box


Some others that may be feasible: Clementine’s, Fitz’s, Kingside Diner, Sasha’s Wine Bar, Session Taco, Nudo House, The Post, Seoul Taco

Since we lost Gioas and Charlie Gittos downtown, maybe this is a failing recipe since I would consider those the types of places I would go after and incentivize to open a downtown location.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Sep 03, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 27, 2025

Worth a shot

With regards to #5, in a similar vein, have any downtown orgs tried working with big name regional retailers/restaurants to have a downtown location, especially those further away from the core? There’s a few I can think of that would attract people and be good demonstrations of StL culture for visitors.

Would be definite hits:
-Ted Drewes
-A Ben Poremba concept (he has his hands full with maker district and tornado recovery right now though)
-A Gerard Craft concept
-Balkan Treat Box


Some others that may be feasible: Clementine’s, Fitz’s, Kingside Diner, Sasha’s Wine Bar, Session Taco, Nudo House, The Post, Seoul Taco

Since we lost Gioas and Charlie Gittos downtown, maybe this is a failing recipe since I would consider those the types of places I would go after and incentivize to open a downtown location.

How about something as simple as a Bread Co again?

I think a lot of these restaurants will be more interested whenever the next Ballpark Village phase comes or even Millennium development. Similar to Salt and Smoke. I unfortunately don't think any of these restaurants are gonna go in along Washington Ave or anything without some massive incentives.

Clementines could easily go in at BPV and would do crazy sales during the baseball season.

Yea, it’s pretty bad. Should be pouring so much money into it by the day, other river cities are doing it. Maybe we are just awaiting the transformation

The Gateway South development I thought would help the south of the arch, and I am beginning to worry about it ever getting off the ground. There were lots of people trying to check out Paint Louis but honestly it’s difficult to even navigate down there safely. Roads, sidewalks, overpasses, interstates, abandoned falling down buildings - it is all beat up and you’re worried about falling, having something fall on your head, or tear up your car.

The landing itself is looking better but there’s a lot of work to do around the 4 seasons/casino parking lots, the boulevard, and the passes under i-55 to Wash Ave (confusing intersections, speeding cars, panhandlers, tents, trash), under the Eads (full of bird feces and leaky water), and to the riverfront (concrete barriers, abandoned garage, weird empty slabs of concrete, abandoned pavilion, no plantings, some empty grass lots). Only gets worse going north of there.

Still don’t understand why we can’t at least start with some vegetation and plantings along the river (instead of the slabbed concrete), wouldn’t this help flooding anyways? There should be amazing landscaping and vegetation up to the Arch steps, at least for between Poplar bridge and Eads bridge.

Idk maybe we get some of the City-Arch-River big ideas and hoopla from back in the day with Gateway Foundations involvement with real estate.

maybe this should be a pinned post for every 3 months the riverfront topic comes up; simple answer is we cannot do more because every spring the river can rise 20 feet in a week or less which is unique to us vs some other river cities like Cincinatti and Pittsburgh. The way the 100 feet from the river in looks is what it will look like.  sure, some cosmetic things can be done but it won't substantially change anything.   There is nothing wrong with the Landing river frontage, the ugly garage is gone, there is a frisbee golf course there now and the bike/multi use path, its kept clean 

stlgasm wrote: ↑

Sep 03, 2025

Drove along the levee last weekend from Paint Louis all the way to Laclede's Landing. My god, the access to the Landing and the general condition of the area is absolutely pathetic.  The former casino shelter where the Admiral was docked remains unkempt and deteriorating by the day. So cheap and tacky.  The entire stretch of Leonor K Sullivan Blvd. near the Landing feels forgotten, forlorn and uninviting. All the streets leading into the Landing are blocked off with ugly concrete highway barriers- literally ZERO effort to make the Landing feel welcoming, safe or attractive.  I don't think there's a more downtrodden big city downtown in the entire USA.  How can we sell our city to tourists and conventions when we allow our front door to look like absolute s**t.  No visitor to the riverfront could possibly leave with a positive impression of our city if they saw what I saw last weekend..  

On top of that, on a holiday weekend with picture perfect weather, I saw less than 10 people walking around the levee directly in front of the Arch.  We have a world famous monument surrounded by desolation and emptiness.  It's inexcusable that we accept this in our city.  Whatever has worked to increase vibrancy to tourist districts in other cities has obviously not been implemented here.  

#RantOver

Our nearest role model would be Louisville. What they've done is wonderful. At the bare minimum, their riverfront is what we should have.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 03, 2025

maybe this should be a pinned post for every 3 months the riverfront topic comes up; simple answer is we cannot do more because every spring the river can rise 20 feet in a week or less.  the way the 100 feet from the river in looks is what it will look like.  sure some cosmetic things can be done but it won't substantially change anything.   There is nothing wrong with the Landing frontage, the ugly garage is done, there is a frisbee golf course there now and the bike/multi use path. 

That is understandable but what frustrates me is the those Jersey barriers Blocking the landing from the arch, I know it floods there but they use to not be there and infuriating to navigate as a driving, It shouldn't be easier to just park at the riverfront station and walk over the Eads bridge. Is there a way to address this concern or is this beyond the city's control??