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O'Fallon, Mo., council weighs 311-home subdivision proposed for Highway N
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/ofallon-mo-council-weighs-311-home-subdivision-proposed-for-highway-n/article_95f67f8c-0e40-11ef-a556-a773d4ebf2bc.html#tracking-source=home-top-storyThe O'Fallon City Council on Thursday night may decide on a proposed 311-home subdivision along Highway N opposed by some neighboring residents concerned about traffic congestion.
The 104-acre Villages at Post Farms project, which developers want annexed into O'Fallon, would be just across the highway from the 896-home Harvest at Hopewell development already under construction. The Post Farms site, which is now farmland, is west of Hopewell and Duello roads.
Critics who live nearby worry that adding 311 more homes will overburden the two-lane Highway N and result in more traffic on streets in an existing subdivision to the east.
"We already have too many cars going in and out," Jeff Allen, who lives in that area, said at a Planning and Zoning Commission hearing last month. "Not every piece of land needs to have houses on it. We do need to keep green spaces around us." Joanne Bittick, a decades-long resident on Duello, said at the April hearing that "subdivisions are just popping up everywhere" in the area and perhaps now is the time to "take a step back."
O'Fallon's population has tripled to roughly over 94,000 residents over the past 30 years.
Drew Weber, an attorney for the developer, DCM Land LLC, has said officials are looking at improving N, a state road, with the expressed purpose of serving the increased traffic from what is anticipated to be new subdivisions.
The developer also wants some zoning requirements waived to allow several housing styles.
The city code would require 10,000-square lots with a width of 80 feet and depth of 100 feet, but the Villages plans call for some smaller 4,200-square-foot lots with proposed widths between 40 and 90 feet. All residences would be single-family homes.
Weber said at the hearing that density in the Villages would be similar to that in the subdivision to the east. "We're not talking about a big difference here," he said then.
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Mall owner risks 'imminent' default on maturing debt
https://archive.ph/iLTl8#selection-961.0-961.52
https://archive.ph/iLTl8#selection-961.0-961.52
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would be epic to have 3 malls fail in chesterfield in the span of a decade.chris fuller wrote: ↑Sep 09, 2024Mall owner risks 'imminent' default on maturing debt
https://archive.ph/iLTl8#selection-961.0-961.52
It's almost like suburban sprawl is completely unsustainable and they need to add density to make up for the losses on the suburban sprawl.
The demographic they're targeting for this is so funny too. People who want urban living but don't want to live in urban areas. Good luck guys lol.
The demographic they're targeting for this is so funny too. People who want urban living but don't want to live in urban areas. Good luck guys lol.
It's kind of hard to tell from the article but it seems like the issue is that it is overleveraged, not that it isn't profitable. $14.24 million in revenue vs $5.27 million in expenses for 2023, 86% occupancy and rising. I doubt you would see it close, more likely it gets taken over by whoever holds the paper.
It's the same deal as when a building goes into receivership is what I kinda thought. It doesn't close but it's operation and ownership is transfered to the bank that issued the loan.
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Very interesting article about how developers are starting to hit some limits on land grabs in St. Charles County.
In once fast-growing St. Charles County, the last frontier is to the west
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -west.html
In once fast-growing St. Charles County, the last frontier is to the west
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -west.html
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^^The solution isn't more sprawl. The solution is increasing development in urban/semi-urban areas devastated by flight/blight, like north STL city and county, as a local example. We already have infrastructure there, time to fill the vacant swaths.
What an infuriating read. Glad the comments on the NYT article see through the BS.chris fuller wrote: ↑Apr 10, 2025America Needs More Sprawl to Fix Its Housing Crisis
https://archive.ph/gvkak
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... f1991.html
These people are so stupid they almost get it but then they land on "we need a moratorium on new housing because traffic is bad and the schools are full" and you remember that they're not just stupid, they're also evil.
St. Paul, a town of 3,000 people with a density of 418/mi2.
These people are so stupid they almost get it but then they land on "we need a moratorium on new housing because traffic is bad and the schools are full" and you remember that they're not just stupid, they're also evil.
St. Paul, a town of 3,000 people with a density of 418/mi2.
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The proposed neighborhood isn’t in St. Paul. It’s unincorporated, but is adjacent to city limits. There’s another subdivision that’s also unincorporated right across the street that is currently under development. It can be difficult to make sense of why St. Charles County Council votes the way they do. The one across the street is perfectly fine, but this one isn’t.Auggie wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... f1991.html
These people are so stupid they almost get it but then they land on "we need a moratorium on new housing because traffic is bad and the schools are full" and you remember that they're not just stupid, they're also evil.
St. Paul, a town of 3,000 people with a density of 418/mi2.
Auggie who hurt you? Please stop being mean if you disagree with something. They may not have the same information, same life exposure, or same knowledge of land development as someone who supports the project. Everyone's path in life is different. We are all humans taking things day by day. There are real evils in the world. Someone having a different opinion than you about something in their community is not stupid or evil. Everyone's experience is just as impactful and vivid as our own. We may disagree with people, but that is the way of life. Please have grace and seek to understand those you disagree with.Auggie wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... f1991.html
These people are so stupid they almost get it but then they land on "we need a moratorium on new housing because traffic is bad and the schools are full" and you remember that they're not just stupid, they're also evil.
St. Paul, a town of 3,000 people with a density of 418/mi2.
I could certainly see the St. Paul area being a battleground for development. I have family out there and it's amazing at how the area flies under the radar.
But it will be interesting to see in that area fills in with more million dollar homes sitting on 1-3 acre lots or if McBride gets its teeth into there and builds suburban dense.
But it will be interesting to see in that area fills in with more million dollar homes sitting on 1-3 acre lots or if McBride gets its teeth into there and builds suburban dense.
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I think the worst part of that article is the possibility that 79 could become a four-lane highway someday down the road.
I wouldn't doubt that at all.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I think the worst part of that article is the possibility that 79 could become a four-lane highway someday down the road.
In the next few decades I could totally see the area of MO-61/I-70/MO-79/Highway C filling in big time.
I feel like we have gone as far West as can where it "makes sense" for people to commute so naturally I would think this is the next frontier.dweebe wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I wouldn't doubt that at all.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I think the worst part of that article is the possibility that 79 could become a four-lane highway someday down the road.
In the next few decades I could totally see the area of MO-61/I-70/MO-79/Highway C filling in big time.
There could be political will to reconsider growth boundaries in Missouri. Right leaning “preserve farms” and left leaning “build urban” could be a winning coalition.
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Don't discount how unsensical things can get. We build in floodplains after all.Jallen26 wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I feel like we have gone as far West as can where it "makes sense" for people to commute so naturally I would think this is the next frontier.dweebe wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I wouldn't doubt that at all.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025I think the worst part of that article is the possibility that 79 could become a four-lane highway someday down the road.
In the next few decades I could totally see the area of MO-61/I-70/MO-79/Highway C filling in big time.
It's not about disagreeing, it's about the country being bankrupted and destroyed by suburban hellscape places like St. Charles, that are heavily government subsidized, heavily catered to by politicians at all levels, and have no basis in a reality where they aren't receiving all these benefits because they would otherwise be far too expensive to live in.Zone.Out wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025Auggie who hurt you? Please stop being mean if you disagree with something. They may not have the same information, same life exposure, or same knowledge of land development as someone who supports the project. Everyone's path in life is different. We are all humans taking things day by day. There are real evils in the world. Someone having a different opinion than you about something in their community is not stupid or evil. Everyone's experience is just as impactful and vivid as our own. We may disagree with people, but that is the way of life. Please have grace and seek to understand those you disagree with.Auggie wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... f1991.html
These people are so stupid they almost get it but then they land on "we need a moratorium on new housing because traffic is bad and the schools are full" and you remember that they're not just stupid, they're also evil.
St. Paul, a town of 3,000 people with a density of 418/mi2.
Here, they want a moratorium on new housing construction, but not because doubling down on suburban hellscape destroying the county is bad, but because our "traffic sucks" and "schools are full", which are both just ways to say "we have ours and we don't want other people getting theirs."
In reality, traffic is bad because car-centric city design is horrible and will always cause traffic because cars are horribly inefficient means of transport. Schools might be "full", I wouldn't know for sure, but even if they actually are, you just build a new school.
The point was: Suburban hellscape is stupid, the people who stupidly live in it are starting to see the inherently problems with their lifestyle, and even land on the very smart idea to have a moratorium on new housing construction, but for the evil reason of we have ours and don't care about others.
Every bad thing in this country can be linked back to the suburban hellscape style of living that was born here and pretty much only exists here and in Canada, because it's so beyond stupid and draining on society that eveyone but us has realized how bad it is.