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PostJun 21, 2023#151

I understand that it's nowhere near the St. Charles city riverfront.  

And, really, I understand how it happens, how development differs from area to area. 

It's just that the development of St. Charles County is all over the place, and I don't just mean geographically.

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PostJun 21, 2023#152

^ Well, the government of the City of St. Charles determines what gets built in the City of St. Charles.  The government of St. Charles County determines what gets built in unincorporated areas.  They're two different governments, two different sets of plans and ideas, two different sets of priorities, etc.  St. Louis County isn't really any different, it just doesn't have the land for truly massive sprawl like this anymore.

I don't understand how this is "all over the place", especially for St. Charles County.  The Streets and Riverpointe developments along the river are the exception in St. Charles County...developments like the one just proposed are the rule.

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PostJun 21, 2023#153

And the sprawl/ infrastructure insolvency ball keeps on bounding. More lane-miles for the state to take care of, more VMT. Reminds me of the party analogy - https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/201 ... ty-analogy
"Only 356 acres" LOL.

KSD - St. Charles County residents worried about proposed 556 lot housing development, meeting Wednesday


The proposed development could take that away by bringing an additional 556 homes to only 356 acres of land.

“It's going to take away from the natural beauty of the area. There's a lot of wildlife out here that's going to negatively impact that,” Farabee said.

They also feel two lanes on Hwy. DD is not enough to handle even more cars.

“The traffic will be really bad," Farabee said. "It seems almost at least once a week over in front of Frontier Middle School there's an accident. And if there's another 3,000 people out here, it's just going to get so much worse."  

The traffic issue is something MoDOT and St. Charles County have studied in this area.

“So they've identified there's a need for things like some turn lanes, some deceleration lanes and acceleration lanes. Eventually, Highway DD will be widened,” St. Charles County Planning and Zoning Division Director Robert Myers said.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 5b64f0545d

PostJun 22, 2023#154

Boy, if this turns into a less dense development, cringe.

StlToday - St. Charles County should halt proposed 500-home subdivision, commission says

The master plan states that portions of the proposed Tall Tree property should be developed into low-density housing of 1 to 4 houses per acre and rural residential housing of 1 unit per 3 acres — less dense housing than sought by developers. 

"Don't rezone it," said Steven Farber, of New Melle. Make them redo their plans to fit the plan that you created."

An attorney who spoke at the meeting on behalf of the developers said the neighborhood has changed since the adoption of the county's 2030 master plan. 
"The Duckett Creek Sanitary Sewer District building a new plant has opened this whole area up to development," he said. The new sanitary treatment plant, which is under construction, will be able to treat 2.5 million gallons of sewer waste per day when operational, which changes how much housing the area can support. 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... c61ee.html

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PostJun 22, 2023#155

They think low density and rural residential housing developments preserve the rural nature of the area. Time and time again, it simply destroys the rural nature of the area. Just faster and more draining on resources.

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PostJul 10, 2023#156

StlToday - Developer revises controversial St. Charles County housing development plans

The developer, KM Investment Group IV, initially wanted to build a 556-home project, known as “Tall Tree,” on 356 acres in unincorporated St. Charles County. In a memo, county officials said the project has been altered to now only include 452 homes on 298 acres. The change is because the 57 acres of development next to Boemmelsiek Park have been removed from the project.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... 0cf98.html

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PostDec 12, 2023#157

Developers want to build 1,200 homes in O’Fallon, firing up St. Charles County boom
A new home-construction boom is revving up in St. Charles County as developers move to build more than 1,200 houses in western O’Fallon.
The largest of the proposed developments, known as Harvest at Hopewell, would feature 896 homes on 261 acres. The second, The Villages at Post Farms, plans 335 homes on 100 acres.
These developments come on the heels of the 350-acre, 550-home Tall Tree project, pitched to St. Charles County in June. That housing development, the largest in unincorporated St. Charles County in almost a decade, was rejected by the county planning commission. The developer has said it plans to pitch the project to O’Fallon. Much of that growth has come in large master-planned communities. “While this is a large development, this is not a new thing for O’Fallon,” the city’s planning and zoning department said in a statement. Harvest at Hopewell and the Villages at Post Farms could add as many 4,000 new residents and are along Highway N, less than 5 miles away from Tall Tree.

Drew Weber, an attorney representing the Villages developer, briefed the O’Fallon Planning & Zoning Commission about the plans last week. Key details need to be finalized — including selecting a builder and determining a project timeline — before the project officially goes back before the commission in January, he said.

“Our goal tonight was simply to get the reaction from the zoning commission and to hear what their thoughts were — and they didn’t say no,” Weber said after the meeting Thursday.
If all are approved, the three developments could add almost 1,700 homes to the burgeoning municipality, a boost of about 7% to the city’s housing stock. The city’s population has more than tripled to roughly 94,000 residents over the past 30 years.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/developers-want-to-build-1-200-homes-in-o-fallon-firing-up-st-charles-county/article_f69e1468-9586-11ee-b792-63f43c033299.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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PostDec 12, 2023#158

Downtown STL added 750 apartments on like 4 acres between 3 buildings this year. 

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PostDec 12, 2023#159

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Downtown STL added 750 apartments on like 4 acres between 3 buildings this year. 
Hopefully, that makes for an increase in activity. How far do you think downtown is away from having the critical mass to support more retail? I know major retailers look at rooftops and income, but I've always felt that downtown was under retailed. The fact that we don't even have a CVS or Walgreens is insane to me. I've been to smaller cities with these retailers downtown. I'd be totally for the city subsidizing these type of basic amenities.

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PostDec 13, 2023#160

Latest census block level data showed 13,118 people in the 4 downtown blocks. 15,000-20,000 residents probably

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PostDec 13, 2023#161

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Latest census block level data showed 13,118 people in the 4 downtown blocks. 15,000-20,000 residents probably
Well by the metric downtown should be a completely different place by the 2030 census.

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PostDec 21, 2023#163

KMOV - In rural St. Charles County, despite resident pushback county officials move forward with development of gas station & retail store


https://www.firstalert4.com/2023/12/21/ ... ail-store/

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PostDec 21, 2023#164

^Those videos of the surrounding neighborhoods are just screaming "rural lifestyle".

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PostDec 22, 2023#165

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Latest census block level data showed 13,118 people in the 4 downtown blocks. 15,000-20,000 residents probably
Block groups? Or do you mean census tracts?

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PostMar 13, 2024#166

450 new homes pitched in Wentzville. Plans are for mix of apartments, townhomes.
The next wave of St. Charles County's housing boom is taking shape as developers seek to build hundreds of homes in large-scale residential developments in Wentzville, including one partially in the flood plain. 
The projects span 5 miles along Interstate Crossing in Wentzville and are all south of Interstate 70. The mix of apartments and townhomes would add 450 units and an estimated 1,215 residents to the city, which is one of the fastest-growing communities in St. Charles and the state. 
"Wentzville has a vast amount of properties that are undeveloped, so this is just the normal course of action of landowners who are selling their property to developers, who are going to use those properties to build their projects," said Doug Forbeck, Wentzville's community development director. The projects will go before the Wentzville Board of Aldermen Wednesday night. Pinewoods Park Apartments is a proposed 240-unit apartment complex, plus three commercial lots, near Hepperman Road. About 2 miles to the east, Interstate Crossing is a 140-unit subdivision near Highway Z and Linn Cemetery, with space for a 100-room hotel. arther to the east is the Aventura at Wentzville development. A proposed expansion would add 72 apartments in three buildings, increasing the number of units to 264. The plan also includes a commercially zoned lot for a yet-to-be-announced business, south of I-70 and west of Corporate Parkway.

Interstate Crossing is being proposed by Creve Coeur-based Benton Homebuilders. The developer hopes to annex portions of the property into Wentzville and rezone it into a planned-use development for "upscale villas." 

Forbeck said Benton Homebuilders would need a special city-issued permit to build in the 100-year floodplain, near Peruque Creek.

The company plans to construct 40 single-story duplexes and 100 two-story duplexes east of Linn Cemetery, on three streets that would connect to an extension of South Linn Avenue. The duplexes would range from 2,500 square feet to more than 3,800 square feet, plus a clubhouse and pool, according to the site plan. 

Wentzville leaders have previously expressed their desire for Benton Homebuilders to include a designated safe room or storm shelter in each of the single-story duplex units. Officials have also discussed delaying move-in until after January 2026 to allow for infrastructure improvements, such as roads and utilities.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/450-new-homes-pitched-in-wentzville-plans-are-for-mix-of-apartments-townhomes/article_9a4717d6-e09b-11ee-9959-437290a977a9.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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PostMar 13, 2024#167

Forbeck said Benton Homebuilders would need a special city-issued permit to build in the 100-year floodplain, near Peruque Creek.

“Men argue. Nature acts.”

― Voltaire

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PostMar 25, 2024#168

Major housing, commercial developments planned in Dardenne Prairie, Lake Saint Louis

Major developments to create nearly a dozen commercial spaces and hundreds of new apartments and townhomes may be on the horizon for two cities in St. Charles County.
The three projects, in Dardenne Prairie and Lake Saint Louis, are all within 10 miles of each other and would add 733 new homes — good for up to around 1,700 residents.
The developments are the latest in the booming county, which has approved several other major projects in recent months, including 450 new housing units in Wentzville last week and 1,200 new homes in O’Fallon late last year. In Lake Saint Louis, a project dubbed Montage at Hawk Ridge is the largest of the three projects with 451 units. The property, developed by Chesterfield-based HR Propco, includes single-family lots, townhomes and apartments. Officials with Volz Inc., which was hired by HR Propco to oversee the development, declined to comment for this story.

The Lake Saint Louis Board of Aldermen had a first reading of the proposal last week and is slated to vote on the project April 1.
The development would be north of Orf Road and south of Hawk Ridge Trail, west of a busy shopping center. It will have two entrances onto Hawk Ridge Trail, with no entrances on Orf Road, according to site plans.

If approved, the project will be built in three phases. The first phase will include single-family homes built on 8,910-square-foot lots north of Orf Road. Seventy-eight townhomes or motor court units would also be constructed during this phase. The second phase would include a portion of the planned 10 apartment buildings, along with another 45 townhomes along the east side of the development’s property boundary. The third phase would include the remaining apartments and townhomes along the west side of the property.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/major-housing-commercial-developments-planned-in-dardenne-prairie-lake-saint-louis/article_dfed2edc-e7f9-11ee-add2-07474e979fa0.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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PostMar 25, 2024#169

The name of this thread is such an oxymoron lmao

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PostMar 25, 2024#170

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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The name of this thread is such an oxymoron lmao
The dissonance of the optimism of when it was made and now is so depressing. 

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PostMar 25, 2024#171

I don't mind all that much if St. Charles grows wildly; what I want to see is St. Louis city and St. Louis County grow as well. 

I suspect in the next decade that there is going to be a lot of regional growth in Jefferson County as well.  

I want everybody in the region to eat. 

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PostMar 26, 2024#172

^I don't really think that's how this works. I don't hate St. Charles County being successful but I'm not in favor of building suburbs over farms or natural areas out there, the STL region is very sprawled out for our population and there's no need for greenfield development. 

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PostApr 05, 2024#173

St. Louis health system plans to build new $650M hospital complex
Mercy, the Chesterfield-based multistate health system, plans to build a new $650 million hospital complex in Wentzville.

The nonprofit health system said Friday that is has filed a letter of intent with the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services to build the 75-bed hospital. The 483,000-square-foot medical complex, with a projected cost of $650 million, will be located on about 60 acres near the intersection of Interstates 64 and 70, officials said in a press release. Once the new hospital is approved by regulators, work on the project is expected to take about four years, officials said. Mercy's new hospital will bring construction jobs to the region as well as "hundreds" of new, long-term health care jobs.

“We have grown our Mercy presence in the area over the past decade from three locations to nearly 40, providing adult and pediatric primary and specialty care as well as a critical access hospital in Troy,” Steve Mackin, Mercy president and CEO, said in the release. “Now is the time to invest in the future and better serve our patients closer to home. Our data shows us many Mercy patients travel, sometimes more than an hour, from Lincoln and Warren counties into St. Louis County. The need for this facility, while significant today, will only increase as projected growth continues.”  Mercy said that it wants to make access to care easier for the "significant number of patients" who live in the tri-county region encompassing St. Charles, Lincoln and Warren counties, three of the state's fastest-growing counties. That region's population is projected to grow by about 9.5%, to over 500,000 residents, by 2032, officials said. Mercy said 18% of of residents in the tri-county region travel for care at a Mercy hospital when they are admitted.
The health system said Mercy officials will hold roundtable discussions with the public and community leaders about the new hospital and expanding health care services in the region. Mercy said it began to focus on the tri-county region in 2010 with the development of a community master plan and that it "intends to expand its model of affordable health care" to that area in future years.

“Mercy is a well-respected provider of health services in the region and we welcome both the hospital and specialty services surrounding it to St. Charles County,” St. Charles County Executive Steve Ehlmann said in the press release.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/04/05/mercy-new-hospital-complex-st-charles-county.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_5&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

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PostApr 05, 2024#174

Here's one without a paywall

Stl PR - Mercy announces plan for $650 million Wentzville hospital to serve west suburbs

https://www.stlpr.org/health-science-en ... uis-county

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PostApr 05, 2024#175

If people don't want to drive an hour to get to the hospital, how about they stop building thousands of houses where there is a lack of these amenities? Very much preaching to choir here.

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