St Louis is SO good at this game....as usual.kg2024 wrote: ↑Jun 17, 2025About every block there's a manhole cover dead center in the cycle track that's a solid 3 or more inches depressed from the pavement, markings slapped on and all.
Between this, the massive eye level metal signs and the beg buttons in the middle of the sidewalk, you gotta wonder if the designer has ever done any streetscape projects or if they just gave an intern Microsoft Paint and asked them to figure it out. Like what in the actual hell? I suppose I should reserve judgement until it's 100% complete, but from what I've seen thus far, this is a poorly designed project.kg2024 wrote: ↑Jun 17, 2025About every block there's a manhole cover dead center in the cycle track that's a solid 3 or more inches depressed from the pavement, markings slapped on and all.
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Overall I think this work makes a big positive impact on the walkability of these blocks. My biggest concern, as mentioned above, is utility work tearing up the street. I wish there was a way for the city to enforce proper street repaving and painting when utility work is done b/c the patchwork after makes for a poor pedestrian experience, particularly in comparison to our peer cities.
Now that we have a better pedestrian connector between our two main retail strips (Convention Center/Wash Ave) and (Ballpark Village), wouldn't it be great to see the city incentivize fast casual retail along this stretch? Maybe give extra incentives in the current fund to draw in retail, but specific to this stretch? For convention and lunch traffic, it would be much more welcoming and busy to have a stretch of retail available VS traversing all over a very unpopulated downtown for what might be one shop per city block. By focusing where the retail is, you could add pedestrian density because office workers would know where to go for lunch and tourists could be directed to the street where most retail exists. Yes, you penalize other blocks and business owners by doing this, but this would create density and connect two corridors already having retail success.
Now that we have a better pedestrian connector between our two main retail strips (Convention Center/Wash Ave) and (Ballpark Village), wouldn't it be great to see the city incentivize fast casual retail along this stretch? Maybe give extra incentives in the current fund to draw in retail, but specific to this stretch? For convention and lunch traffic, it would be much more welcoming and busy to have a stretch of retail available VS traversing all over a very unpopulated downtown for what might be one shop per city block. By focusing where the retail is, you could add pedestrian density because office workers would know where to go for lunch and tourists could be directed to the street where most retail exists. Yes, you penalize other blocks and business owners by doing this, but this would create density and connect two corridors already having retail success.
It's not a silly excuse at all. It's actually how the law works.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jun 17, 2025That’s a silly excuse. The infrastructure is there. They can enforce it. They could also install temporary no parking signage. Almost like it makes no sense for a non-transportation department to manage parking enforcement.
But your point about temporary parking signs is true, they should throw up no parking signs on the streetlights and they don't really have a good excuse to not have done it.
Armadillos aren’t suggestions. They are infrastructure that car owners are ignoring and damaging. It requires no more a sign than being told not to park on the curb, sidewalk, or crosswalk. Ignorance isn’t an excuse.
Just a ticket from the parking division is a favor in any other city. You’re going to visit the car lot in Chicago. Sign or no sign.
Just a ticket from the parking division is a favor in any other city. You’re going to visit the car lot in Chicago. Sign or no sign.
Are they still going to paint those bike lanes? If they are going to leave it black, it feels a bit unfinished to me. The green elevates the look more in my opinion.
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There will be green paint across intersections and at the start and end of each block
^ green paint is coming next week, pavement had to cure for 30 days
The signs are in violation of standard BPS sidewalk obstruction standards (except as allowed by BPS engineer). I hope they fix these before too many kids slice their heads open. I've contacted the city to let them know about the issue.
5 signs on one side of the intersection is way overkill, especially since only the two on the right are visible from the oncoming NB traffic on 7th. Also there is only a single "One Way" sign at this intersection for the EB Chestnut traffic. Plus this just looks plain unwelcoming, most cities do not use these big DO NOT ENTER signs that belong on freeway ramps.
^This photo looks photoshopped because the do not enter signs look so ridiculous and out of place. JFC this city usually doesn't do more than the bare minimum and on the occasion that they do more it's in such a haphazard way, like who in the world came up with this and thought it was a good idea?
Concrete parking stops and flexible bollards should be a minimum for protected bike lanes. Parking stops installed are $250-$300. Flexible bollards are $50. We should definitely be able to do better that what we just got.
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You have to tow them. If they left their car parked in traffic for hours they would get towed. Has to work both ways
Wow, that is pretty egregious.SRQ2STL wrote: ↑Jun 25, 2025The new 7th street cycle track today....absolutely ridiculous.
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Why don't they have the bicycle marking to emphasize that it is bike only lane? I am hoping that is an outstanding item and also can't we have a flexible bollard at the beginning of the bike lane so that cars cannot enter?SRQ2STL wrote: ↑Jun 25, 2025The new 7th street cycle track today....absolutely ridiculous.
Don’t let others convince you that it’ll work out. The city failed to do anything about Chestnut for nearly a decade.
The city does not care about bike infrastructure unless it is paid for or delivered to them by civic boosters. Civic boosters do not care about bike infrastructure, they care about St. Louis looking like a 2015 millennial fever dream with bike lanes and brewerys on every corner.
No one will actually advocate for bike lanes to function correctly in St. Louis, because no one cares.
The city does not care about bike infrastructure unless it is paid for or delivered to them by civic boosters. Civic boosters do not care about bike infrastructure, they care about St. Louis looking like a 2015 millennial fever dream with bike lanes and brewerys on every corner.
No one will actually advocate for bike lanes to function correctly in St. Louis, because no one cares.
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The real urbanist groups try pretty hard and they’re getting better organized
GD it, why can't we have nice things here. Everything half-assed. It's so disheartening
They need to put the no parking signs in so they can start enforcing it.
Zohran's right. flex posts need to go the way of Andrew Cuomo's career
"we need bollards, we need to replace these flex delineators... there are New Yorkers who do not bike because they're afraid of their safety... we need to further protect our already protected bike lanes."
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"we need bollards, we need to replace these flex delineators... there are New Yorkers who do not bike because they're afraid of their safety... we need to further protect our already protected bike lanes."
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I don't see any no parking signs. Did the city fail to put up signs before they installed the "speed bumps"? We really do need better separation than that too, but if there's no signage that's a pretty egregious error.SRQ2STL wrote: ↑Jun 25, 2025The new 7th street cycle track today....absolutely ridiculous.
The other day, someone (maybe DB?) said that the city is waiting for the signs to be shipped or something like that.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2025I don't see any no parking signs. Did the city fail to put up signs before they installed the "speed bumps"? We really do need better separation than that too, but if there's no signage that's a pretty egregious error.SRQ2STL wrote: ↑Jun 25, 2025The new 7th street cycle track today....absolutely ridiculous.
Until the signs are up, they are on rocky grounds trying to enforce it.
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^Yeah, I bet. I can't believe we didn't put the signs up before constriction even started. (As soon as the meters came down, if there were meters there.)