The reason postulated in the article if true would point to crime increasing in the future due to spending changes.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025Good read and is not something this forum has acknowledged much. The drop in homicides in STL is not unique. That should worry all of us.
This first thing I am noticing that doesn't line up with a lot of these is "The decline began in 2023 and has been remarkably steady, so the roots of the decline are probably things that happened in 2021, 2022 and 2023 rather things that started in 2024 or 2025" - STL's crime decline started in February of 2021... and has been consistent for the last 4.5 years. Obviously this isn't' a one-size-fits-all article but our rate of decline is outside of the norm because its been a longer decline than most...addxb2 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025Good read and is not something this forum has acknowledged much. The drop in homicides in STL is not unique. That should worry all of us.
You're way too kind. What a ***** joke but unfortunately not at all surprising.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 23, 2025Best way you can summarize this SLMPD board is: used cars salesman.
I get why no qualified people wanted any part of this board, since city residents & statewide residents are against but holy hell I didn’t think it was going to be degenerate inc.
Interesting read. It resonates with me in this way specifically - I don't remember the last time I saw the city cops enforce any traffic laws. the roads are ***** lawless. Put the red light cameras back up.chris fuller wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025Some people struggle to accept crime statistics being down because “a feeling of lawlessness has grown and been allowed to fester.” /
https://martinrobbins.substack.com/p/stop-gaslighting-people-about-crime?ref=themorningnews.org
pattimagee wrote:This first thing I am noticing that doesn't line up with a lot of these is "The decline began in 2023 and has been remarkably steady, so the roots of the decline are probably things that happened in 2021, 2022 and 2023 rather things that started in 2024 or 2025" - STL's crime decline started in February of 2021... and has been consistent for the last 4.5 years. Obviously this isn't' a one-size-fits-all article but our rate of decline is outside of the norm because its been a longer decline than most...addxb2 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025Good read and is not something this forum has acknowledged much. The drop in homicides in STL is not unique. That should worry all of us.
I would only approve a board of commissioners that have backgrounds in law enforcement or criminology. This is a complete joke board on par with the CDC's new vaccine council.Rick Prieto wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025I'm neutral to the appointments. I'll reserve judgement until I see results, I do hope they work but I don't know if they will. I'll be looking at crime reduction and police retention. I believe one of the factors that affect police staffing is the idea of the progressive being anti-police. Some here would only approve a board of commissioners that would pursue those progressive ideas which it was obvious wouldn't happen.
Would there be a way to know the votes the board takes? I would like to know how many times the mayor votes against the board and what was the vote for. That way everyone could decide if they agree or disagree with the decisions the board makes.
The past police boards have always been businesspeople and not criminologists or former law enforcement officers or officials. County's BOPC is made up of an attorney, a professor, a retired EJ exec, a business development manager, and the head of Kwame Building Group. They serve very similar functions.Auggie wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025I would only approve a board of commissioners that have backgrounds in law enforcement or criminology. This is a complete joke board on par with the CDC's new vaccine council.Rick Prieto wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025I'm neutral to the appointments. I'll reserve judgement until I see results, I do hope they work but I don't know if they will. I'll be looking at crime reduction and police retention. I believe one of the factors that affect police staffing is the idea of the progressive being anti-police. Some here would only approve a board of commissioners that would pursue those progressive ideas which it was obvious wouldn't happen.
Would there be a way to know the votes the board takes? I would like to know how many times the mayor votes against the board and what was the vote for. That way everyone could decide if they agree or disagree with the decisions the board makes.
I could care less about "progressive" ideals. I want qualified people.
Then it wouldn't surprise you to learn that I generally oppose police boards like this. Same with "Civillian Oversight Boards". They're all stupid and generally unnecessary. It's pretty self explanatory why it's incredibly stupid to have the ultimate governing authority in your police department to be made up of people who have no clue how criminology or law enforcement works. It would be like having a board of cops govern a fianacial investment company.Note Speak wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025The past police boards have always been businesspeople and not criminologists or former law enforcement officers or officials. County's BOPC is made up of an attorney, a professor, a retired EJ exec, a business development manager, and the head of Kwame Building Group. They serve very similar functions.Auggie wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025I would only approve a board of commissioners that have backgrounds in law enforcement or criminology. This is a complete joke board on par with the CDC's new vaccine council.Rick Prieto wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025I'm neutral to the appointments. I'll reserve judgement until I see results, I do hope they work but I don't know if they will. I'll be looking at crime reduction and police retention. I believe one of the factors that affect police staffing is the idea of the progressive being anti-police. Some here would only approve a board of commissioners that would pursue those progressive ideas which it was obvious wouldn't happen.
Would there be a way to know the votes the board takes? I would like to know how many times the mayor votes against the board and what was the vote for. That way everyone could decide if they agree or disagree with the decisions the board makes.
I could care less about "progressive" ideals. I want qualified people.
Completely agree. I believe Onstar equipped cars are able to be stopped remotely.quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025A horrific crash from a chase costs millions. Maybe cops should have the ability to remotely make a car pull over.
The point is for the drone to follow a specific car until that person is in a controlled location, allowing the police to initiate contact when they are in their house or something- not driving their car- meaning they can't flee in a car.Note Speak wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2025An expanded drone program would be phenomenal and super helpful, until its time to take a suspect into custody, which a drone can not do. Not to mention, a fleet of drones, which would be needed to combat the amount of cars that flee City officers, would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and require a unit of officers to operate them at all times.
There's a thing called Starchase that I think St. Ann uses on a couple cars. They've had varying success, at the cost of about $$7,500 per unit and subscription.quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 25, 2025Isn't another tactic being used shooting a sticky GPS tracker on a fleeing car? Or am I imagining that?
