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PostMay 20, 2025#176

I see conflicting information from Saturday - Today. I don’t see any lies. Unless Sarah Russell knew for sure before Sunday that the FD didn’t push the button. I don’t see any evidence she did know that or not.

I also don’t see any lie from Cara. I hope they can clearly articulate where the failure was.

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PostMay 20, 2025#177

If this is true as Russell says it, it would appear that the Fire Dept didn’t do its job but now they’re in charge of the sirens?

I just don’t know why they’re refusing to say what happened. The fire chief was right behind Russell when she said this and he didn’t correct her
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PostMay 20, 2025#178

dbInSouthCity wrote:If this is true as Russell says it, it would appear that the Fire Dept didn’t do its job but now they’re in charge of the sirens?

I just don’t know why they’re refusing to say what happened. The fire chief was right behind Russell when she said this and he didn’t correct her
It seems to me that the protocol isn’t clear and you accused Spencer of lying about that.

Does anyone at this point at actually know who was supposed to be in charge of the sirens? If you can’t answer that question, you shouldn’t have said Spencer was lying about the protocol being unclear.

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PostMay 20, 2025#179

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dbInSouthCity wrote:If this is true as Russell says it, it would appear that the Fire Dept didn’t do its job but now they’re in charge of the sirens?

I just don’t know why they’re refusing to say what happened. The fire chief was right behind Russell when she said this and he didn’t correct her
It seems to me that the protocol isn’t clear and you accused Spencer of lying about that.

Does anyone at this point at actually know who was supposed to be in charge of the sirens? If you can’t answer that question, you shouldn’t have said Spencer was lying about the protocol being unclear.
Or the protocol is clear, as it’s worked just fine every time it’s been used since 2021 and someone failed to do their job. Btw the document above a few pages back is from 2010 and not relevant

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PostMay 20, 2025#180

dbInSouthCity wrote:
Debaliviere91 wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:If this is true as Russell says it, it would appear that the Fire Dept didn’t do its job but now they’re in charge of the sirens?

I just don’t know why they’re refusing to say what happened. The fire chief was right behind Russell when she said this and he didn’t correct her
It seems to me that the protocol isn’t clear and you accused Spencer of lying about that.

Does anyone at this point at actually know who was supposed to be in charge of the sirens? If you can’t answer that question, you shouldn’t have said Spencer was lying about the protocol being unclear.
Or the protocol is clear, as it’s worked just fine every time it’s been used since 2021 and someone failed to do their job. Btw the document above a few pages back is from 2010 and not relevant
I know that document is old. But you can’t tell me what the protocol from 2021 is.
Just because it hasn’t caused issues the few times it’s been needed since 2021 doesn’t mean it’s not a flawed protocol and was exposed this time. Your logic doesn’t make any sense on that.

I’ll ask again since you’re so confident the Mayor was lying about the protocol: What is the protocol?

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PostMay 20, 2025#181

Citing “vague protocol” as the issue is a straw man argument. That defense only holds water if Russell and Jenkerson were outsiders unfamiliar with city operations. But they weren’t. In fact, one or both were directly involved in developing those very protocols. So this isn’t a failure of policy, it’s a failure of execution.

And the mayor said today they’ll release it today, I haven’t seen it yet but it’s irrelevant. It’s not a protocol issue. That’s a lie.

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PostMay 20, 2025#182

Can we just impeach Mayor Spencer for her numerous misdeeds and be done with it?

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PostMay 20, 2025#183

dbInSouthCity wrote:Citing “vague protocol” as the issue is a straw man argument. That defense only holds water if Russell and Jenkerson were outsiders unfamiliar with city operations. But they weren’t. In fact, one or both were directly involved in developing those very protocols. So this isn’t a failure of policy, it’s a failure of execution.
I didn’t say vague protocol is “the” issue. I said yesterday it could be a contributing cause to human error.

I said you can’t accuse the Mayor of lying about the protocol being confusing when you yourself don’t even know what the protocol from 2021 is.

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PostMay 20, 2025#184

Guys, trust. The same people who forgot to turn on the tornado sirens while people were getting killed by a tornado wouldn't lie even though they've made conflicting statements and are pretty obviously lying to try and pawn blame off to the past administration who notably didn't forget to turn on the tornado sirens.

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PostMay 20, 2025#185

My current theory is that Fire and CEMA both left house. CEMA receives the alert (according to the Post article) so I assume they were first response. You can kind of see them both (Chief + CEMA Director) stewing in anger in the background of the press conf the morning after. This also explains why Sarah showed up to the press conference uninvited (according to Denis). Sarah wasn’t going down alone.

My theory for Cara is that she knows this and is protecting them both… until the disaster is over. Consider that both groups of employees support their leaders take on what happened and they decide to respond with walk-off. I’d hate to lose any firefighters or Emergency Management employees right now.

Outside of stringing this issue along, I don’t yet see how Cara Spencer administration is connected to the lack of siren. I’m sure Denis and Auggie will let us know if/when that connection is made.😉

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PostMay 21, 2025#186

Under 19,000 outages
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PostMay 21, 2025#187

To prevent this thread from becoming *too heavy* in the politics…

The Oxygen Project is raising $1,500 to support SLPS students. Food, health, school supplies, etc.
https://givebutter.com/CommunityCareCampaign

Lots of opportunities to give! What are other orgs that we haven’t listed yet?

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PostMay 21, 2025#188

Not of immediate importance of course.

Forest ReLeaf of Missouri
https://moreleaf.org/

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PostMay 21, 2025#189

Tomorrow at the Foundry
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PostMay 21, 2025#190

Russell has been put on paid leave

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PostMay 21, 2025#191

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Russell has been put on paid leave
That will sure teach her a lesson.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ailure.cfm

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PostMay 21, 2025#192

As I said, this was not a protocol issue. Listen to the audio. Russel asks Fire dept to activate sirens

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PostMay 21, 2025#193

Where is the audio? I don't see it linked.

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PostMay 21, 2025#194

There's been a lot of goofy and just dumb discourse around the siren issue from people looking for nothing more than some political points on social media. The sirens wouldn't have prevented the tornado, and everyone should always be weather aware and have more than one method of receiving warnings (and actually take warnings seriously). But CEMA having an out of office workshop on a day with a forecast of a rare moderate risk of severe weather (level 4 of 5) is just bizarre decision making. Not knowing that the activation button at the fire department doesn't work for who knows how long is also unacceptable. It seems like it is being appropriately addressed. Now let's get focus back to where it needs to be on the ground in the devastated neighborhoods.

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PostMay 21, 2025#195

Mayor Spencer puts CEMA commissioner on paid leave

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PostMay 21, 2025#196

addxb2 wrote:
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Where is the audio? I don't see it linked.

At the end

CEMA commissioner: you got the sirens?

Fire dept: yes, ma’am

Both say good bye.

PostMay 21, 2025#197

MattnSTL wrote:
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There's been a lot of goofy and just dumb discourse around the siren issue from people looking for nothing more than some political points on social media. The sirens wouldn't have prevented the tornado, and everyone should always be weather aware and have more than one method of receiving warnings (and actually take warnings seriously). But CEMA having an out of office workshop on a day with a forecast of a rare moderate risk of severe weather (level 4 of 5) is just bizarre decision making. Not knowing that the activation button at the fire department doesn't work for who knows how long is also unacceptable. It seems like it is being appropriately addressed. Now let's get focus back to where it needs to be on the ground in the devastated neighborhoods.
Yeah man, the families saying maybe their dead love ones would be alive if the sirens worked should be told to shut the ***** up and let’s focus on clean up

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PostMay 21, 2025#198

Ok, so am I following this correctly?

CEMA received the alert first. Typically CEMA would push the button but if unable they would call the fire department. That’s obviously rare since no one knew the Fire department button was broken. Strike one.

Sarah calls the fire department because CEMA staff are at a workshop with high risk of severe weather. Strike two.

The fire department has a breakdown in communication between phone and (broken) button. Strike three.

Sarah had a slim SOP that called for the FD to own the alarm. It was either not shared or implemented. Again, because the FD wouldn’t have a broken button and Sarah wouldn’t be calling the FD.

Just a big mess.

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PostMay 21, 2025#199

Obviously Russell has to go but so does Jenkerson.

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PostMay 21, 2025#200

Agreed. Would he have any due process required by the union or is he exempt?


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