They're not even collecting tariffs at the ports. Their systems are all screwed up.quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2025He says the tariffs are bringing in $2B a day. That's a $730B/yr tax increase on consumers. Plus the costs are in the product price so sales taxes apply.
But an income tax increase is the worst thing ever.
Please tell us more about these really horrible, 7 decade long, offenses to the American people? Given it’s so terrible, I’m sure you can tell us more.leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025I'm fine with taking a few months to address some really horrible things which have been completely ignored for 60 years.
The victim complex is craaazzzyy.leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025I'm fine with taking a few months to address some really horrible things which have been completely ignored for 60 years.
leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025I'm fine with taking a few months to address some really horrible things which have been completely ignored for 60 years.
(White men)Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025I'm fine with taking a few months to address some really horrible things which have been completely ignored for 60 years.
Please elaborate as to how things were so much better 6 plus decades ago and for whom.
And similar to my above comment about tariffs, of course we could find a lot of efficiency in our government, which would be great. I don’t get how you can look at what’s been done with DOGE so far and feel confident they have any idea what they are doing or are even approaching this in good faith. You can’t just sit around and hope either, because when they dismantle the government in the way that they are, there are serious consequences.legendrey wrote:Putting words in his mouth, in my opinion Lee was just saying there are dated processes and regulations still in place that have led to inefficiencies. Efficient government isn't something to be afraid of even if the path to get there is a little bumpy.
I think that’s a charitable assessment of what’s happened so far with DOGE. So far the impact to our budget concerns has been a drop of water in the ocean and will be completely wiped out by tax cuts and a trillion dollar defense budget anyway.legendrey wrote:I am happy to concede things have been handled poorly, so far but I can also sympathize with the current administration that the time to get things done is NOW. I think most people can agree DOGE in concept is a good idea, but the only way to impart any real change is to really go for it. Their methodology is to be quick to make decisions and quicker to fix mistakes, I can respect that and I think they have very smart people trying to help the country. Of course it hasn't gone perfectly, were talking about removing inefficiencies and fraud from the US government - that is about as complex as it gets - and the clock is ticking.
Where's the fraud. Please show me.legendrey wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025I am happy to concede things have been handled poorly, so far but I can also sympathize with the current administration that the time to get things done is NOW. I think most people can agree DOGE in concept is a good idea, but the only way to impart any real change is to really go for it. Their methodology is to be quick to make decisions and quicker to fix mistakes, I can respect that and I think they have very smart people trying to help the country. Of course it hasn't gone perfectly, were talking about removing inefficiencies and fraud from the US government - that is about as complex as it gets - and the clock is ticking.
Auggie, Legendrey and I disagree on DOGE and Tariffs. It seems we are having a fairly reasonable discussion on it.Auggie wrote:You've made clear that you don't pay attention whatsoever.
You've shown you're a Bill Maher style liberal and are totally useless in this conversation.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025Auggie, Legendrey and I disagree on DOGE and Tariffs. It seems we are having a fairly reasonable discussion on it.Auggie wrote:You've made clear that you don't pay attention whatsoever.legendrey wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2025Trust me I pay attention and think you're way off the mark. But your opinion is your own, so I wish you luck. For the sake of Americans on both sides, let's hope I'm a bit closer to the truth than you. Cheers!
You nor I know how much Legendrey is paying attention. Can you let the adults in the room talk for a little while instead of interrupting with personal critiques?
