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PostMar 30, 2025#1476

Jive thinks the future of the city is like sports or something. I'm team Jones, I guess they're team Spencer according to them.

Meanwhile in real life, I'm team "What's best for St. Louis" and I'll always be on that team.

It's like this whole thing is a joke to them.

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PostMar 30, 2025#1477

Jones being blamed for a population loss problem almost 80 years in the making is another attack so stupid is suggests bad faith

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PostMar 31, 2025#1478

Auggie wrote:
Mar 30, 2025
Jive thinks the future of the city is like sports or something. I'm team Jones, I guess they're team Spencer according to them.

Meanwhile in real life, I'm team "What's best for St. Louis" and I'll always be on that team.

It's like this whole thing is a joke to them.
Deflection. You are touting that Jones has overseen an increase in affluence/wealth despite a decline in low-income population. Isn't that textbook gentrification?  If Cara Spencer were promoting the same dynamics do you think it would be received as a positive?

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PostMar 31, 2025#1479

Few pages back I predict that the walk back would start soon, I didn’t expect it to start 10 days before the elections even over. This was so predictable if you had any ***** clue about how city services work
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PostMar 31, 2025#1480

jivecitystl wrote:
Mar 31, 2025
Auggie wrote:
Mar 30, 2025
Jive thinks the future of the city is like sports or something. I'm team Jones, I guess they're team Spencer according to them.

Meanwhile in real life, I'm team "What's best for St. Louis" and I'll always be on that team.

It's like this whole thing is a joke to them.
Deflection. You are touting that Jones has overseen an increase in affluence/wealth despite a decline in total population. Isn't that textbook gentrification? If Cara Spencer were promoting the same dynamics do you think it would be received as a positive?
I think you see this as "us vs them" when I see it as "What's best for St. Louis?"

Wealthy people moving into the city is objectively a good thing. That's why Cara Spencer and the Post-Dispatch are absolutely not going to mention it. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets mentioned by both later this year. And btw, this isn't even a Jones thing. This has been happening for years, it's just continued under Jones.

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PostMar 31, 2025#1481

Auggie wrote:
Mar 31, 2025
jivecitystl wrote:
Mar 31, 2025
Auggie wrote:
Mar 30, 2025
Jive thinks the future of the city is like sports or something. I'm team Jones, I guess they're team Spencer according to them.

Meanwhile in real life, I'm team "What's best for St. Louis" and I'll always be on that team.

It's like this whole thing is a joke to them.
Deflection. You are touting that Jones has overseen an increase in affluence/wealth despite a decline in total population. Isn't that textbook gentrification?  If Cara Spencer were promoting the same dynamics do you think it would be received as a positive?
I think you see this as "us vs them" when I see it as "What's best for St. Louis?"

Wealthy people moving into the city is objectively a good thing. That's why Cara Spencer and the Post-Dispatch are absolutely not going to mention it. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets mentioned by both later this year. And btw, this isn't even a Jones thing. This has been happening for years, it's just continued under Jones.
Not even sure what you're talking about, I didn't express my views on that one way or the other. I just pointed out that you are trumpeting textbook gentrification as a good thing that has been occurring under Mayor Jones. Seems incongruous with some of the Jones campaign rhetoric painting Cara's base as pearl-clutchers and stoking fears that Cara will whitewash the city and sell it out to rich developers.

PostMar 31, 2025#1482

Auggie doesn't think Tishaura Jones gets enough credit for "the fact the city is and has been adding higher income residents while the losses are concentrated in low income."


From Merriam-Webster:

gentrification
noun

: a process in which a poor area (as of a city) experiences an influx of middle-class or wealthy people who renovate and rebuild homes and businesses and which often results in an increase in property values and the displacement of earlier, usually poorer residents

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... rification


Wait a minute, I thought you guys were saying that Cara is the one who wants to gentrify the city????

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PostMar 31, 2025#1483

A couple of thoughts on the discussion around adding wealthier residents under Jones:

One, I honestly don’t think the PD or any other publication giving credit to Jones for this occurrence would help her. A lot of her base would perceive this as driven by gentrification (it isn’t) and continued population losses in the North and Southeast portions of the city (it is in part caused by this).

The reality is this phenomenon is driven by inflation based wage growth primarily, and secondarily continued population loss of our poorest residents. There isn’t widespread gentrification occurring nor is there a meaningful influx of higher income residents moving into the city that would drive up our overall income stats.

There isn’t a positive spin for Jones her. Auggie, you brought this up. What’s your take on what’s driving this statistic?

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PostMar 31, 2025#1484

Similar to the accusations of me calling people racist, I have also not said Spencer "wants to gentrify the city". Just not something I've said ever. Actually only Jive has said that.

Jive is also now making the case that middle and upper income people moving into the city is not a good thing. Jive is making the case that renovating and rebuilding homes and businesses is also not a good thing.

Jive has lost the plot for real.

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PostMar 31, 2025#1485

Auggie wrote:
Mar 31, 2025
Similar to the accusations of me calling people racist, I have also not said Spencer "wants to gentrify the city". Just not something I've said ever. Actually only Jive has said that.

Jive is also now making the case that middle and upper income people moving into the city is not a good thing. Jive is making the case that renovating and rebuilding homes and businesses is also not a good thing.

Jive has lost the plot for real.
Past your bedtime Auggie lol

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PostApr 03, 2025#1486

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Baringer voting for state takeover of SLMPD is a deal breaker for me. Even though her replacement in the legislature would likely be better if she were to move into the Comptroller post.
Baringer and Steve Butz were the two Missouri House Democrats who voted in favor of the state takeover bill in the Missouri House in March 2023.

Baringer also served on the Board of Aldermen from 2003 until 2017, in which time she voted in favor of every single piece of legislation sought by Paul J. McKee Jr.'s Northside Regeneration, including the $390.6 million tax increment financing bill approved by the Board of Aldermen in October 2009. (Only Antonio French and Terry Kennedy voted against that bill as well as the earlier redevelopment agreement bill.)

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PostApr 03, 2025#1487

I don't like Green but good Lord I may have to vote for her just to try and help keep this out.

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PostApr 04, 2025#1488

Green has flaws, but among her strengths have been opposing extending Northside Regeneration's financing deadline for the "hospital" on the Pruitt-Igoe site (the only no vote on E&A in 2019, with Krewson & Reed in favor) and insisting on a sunset of the sales tax collection for the Zoom gas station TIF. She has stood for basic fiscal prudence in the face of this corrupt, tax dollar-grabbing development scheme.

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PostApr 04, 2025#1489

^you can add her reliable opposition to public funding of sports venues to the evidence for her wise fiscal prudence. Without her opposition, its quite possible we'd have an NFL stadium albatross hanging over our heads for the next 50 years and no MLS team (or a much worse finance package for the stadium).

I'll grant that Darlene's probably phoning it in on the day-to-day operations of her office, but I'm concerned Barringer will be an automatic rubber stamp on whatever our corporate overlords want from City taxpayers. I'm willing to accept the former to prevent the latter.

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PostApr 04, 2025#1490

One month since the primary. I don't feel that anything has changed the dynamics of the mayoral race since then.

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PostApr 04, 2025#1491

35 years is long enough.

PostApr 04, 2025#1492

Actually, after 35 years in St. Louis City Hall I would probably just DOGE the entire Comptroller Office and start over.

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PostApr 05, 2025#1493

SB in BH wrote:
Apr 04, 2025
^you can add her reliable opposition to public funding of sports venues to the evidence for her wise fiscal prudence. Without her opposition, its quite possible we'd have an NFL stadium albatross hanging over our heads for the next 50 years and no MLS team (or a much worse finance package for the stadium).

I'll grant that Darlene's probably phoning it in on the day-to-day operations of her office, but I'm concerned Barringer will be an automatic rubber stamp on whatever our corporate overlords want from City taxpayers. I'm willing to accept the former to prevent the latter.
A good reminder on the stadium. As the Baringer as a rubber stamp for corporate swindlers, that describes her aldermanic voting record to a tee. I would expect nothing different as comptroller, and her public statements suggest she has no vision for the office or its important role on E&A. 

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PostApr 07, 2025#1494

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 0ac7681e2c
... Two years later, as Jones faces a tough reelection bid, that internal data system remains hidden from public view despite similar programs operating openly on public dashboards in dozens of other U.S. cities. 
The administration’s reluctance to publish the data stems from three concerns: incomplete data collection, ongoing staff training on how to categorize and report service work and fears of political backlash as election pressures mount.  
But unlike Kansas City, Baltimore, Louisville and more than 20 other municipalities across North America with similar programs, St. Louis officials have declined to make their performance dashboard public, despite repeatedly promoting it in speeches. 


... In the Forestry Division, the city has met most of its goals. In the only other two city departments to adapt to LouStat’s metrics and measurements, the Streets Department and Building Division reports show widespread failure to meet the administration's own service goals, with some citizen requests languishing for more than two years. 

... Internal documents show a city struggling to meet basic service benchmarks. The Streets Department reported 8,576 open pothole service requests in January 2025, more than double its target of 3,775. The department was taking nearly 39 days on average to address illegal dumping — almost 13 times longer than its three-day goal. 
In the Building Division, more than a third of service requests were overdue as of January, far exceeding the administration's 10% target. The division also reported significant disparities in response times across different city wards. 
Wow, you mean to tell me that the of the City departments most highlighted for providing a poor quality of services to City residents are, in fact, according to the City's own tracking, providing an abysmal quality of service to City residents? And this data has been only reluctantly released to comply with a Sunshine request despite this supposedly being the most open and transparent mayoral administration in history? Say it ain't so, Tishuara Jones!

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PostApr 07, 2025#1495

People are just straight up becoming unhinged. Good thing this is done tomorrow



Anyway
M: Spencer
C: Green*
W1: Schweitzer
W:3 Cohn
W7: Sonnier
W11: Keys

* This last min rallying of progressives and activists around Jones won’t save Jones but it may unintentionally just save Darlene despite her breaking from the Mayor

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PostApr 08, 2025#1496

Spencer wins 56-44
Green 51-49
Jones concession speech is 75% Virvus written.

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PostApr 08, 2025#1497

Baltimore Jack talks the talk but has yet to provide anything resembling an argument to support his beliefs. Has to resort to endlessly saying "Virvus" as if anyone gives a sh*t.

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PostApr 08, 2025#1498

It is disappointing to say the least that Jones and her supporters have been out there this last week race hustling like we are back the 1990s rather than losing with any sort of dignity.

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PostApr 08, 2025#1499

My argument is that while Jones has made some progress on important issues facing the city she makes too many unforced errors. Gets caught up in too many personal feuds and has shown lackluster response in too many cases. Quite simply we can do better.

I'm just one voter as are you. I have not harangued a single Jones voter as to their preference so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do so to me.

Have a nice Election Day.

PostApr 08, 2025#1500

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It is disappointing to say the least that Jones and her supporters have been out there this last week race hustling like we are back the 1990s rather than losing with any sort of dignity.

It was a choice that was made by someone in the Jones campaign.  

She didn't lose ground in all parts of the city because she wasn't spending enough time fighting those old family battles. But this is where they are making their last stand.

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