I hadn't given too much thought to the upcoming election, but the Jones fanboys are doing their best to make me want to vote for Spencer. So much hearsay, so many assumptions, and so much moral grandstanding
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Ooh, what a zinger! Seriously, if you think your approach is effective in persuading people to join Team TJ, the Spencer campaign should thank you.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 202599% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?Stick to that line because this is the best I've heard in a while. "St. Louisans, you are so stupid! You are fools! Tishaura's people know better than you do about what makes your life better. Your eyes and ears don't work." Lol!
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
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This is a solid assessmentAuggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Jones has been criticized for doing her ***** job representing St. Louis nationally.
Jones has been criticized for "failing" to plow streets (mostly wasn't true) even though she was using the plan created by the moderate Slay Administration in 2014.
Jones has been criticized for defunding the police even though she's done nothing but give them raises over the last 4 years, upgrade the department's equipment, and improve the city's real time crime network.
Jones has been criticized for high crime even though crime is at the lowest it's been in years.
Jones has been criticized for business closings even though the city's GDP has had its best growth under her than any mayor this century.
Jones has been criticized for letting downtown decline even though there's been 0 new major vacancies under her watch, major vacancies like Buter Brothers and Jefferson Arms have been filled, and actual movement happened on RWX and Mellinium with changes in ownership. There's also been 2 plans for AT&T, but not necessarily movement.
Jones gets called corrupt and a criminal because of her father. Not necessarily on here but pretty much everywhere else.
Jones gets criticized for trash collection and 911 even though both of those have been largely (maybe not fully) rectified and were problems that she inherited from the last moderate Administration. The city is even getting a new and improved 911 call center yet I never see anyone give credit for it.
And most recently, Jones is getting criticized for literally trying to help attract and retain city employees who have kids by providing child care and education benefits that are commonplace in many private and public jobs.
These make up the strong majority of the tangible criticism thrown at Jones and are all clearly in bad faith.
Meanwhile Spencer gets a $111k donation from a billionaire who owns 0 companies in the city, moved the headquarters of his primary company from STL to a different city, has grifted STL for years, and intentionally created a bad faith proposal to a RFP just so he could score political points on a mayor that he didn't like (oh wow, a billionare doesn't like an actual progressive?).....and it's "smearing" or "desperation". And you people act like this forum is any better than reddit? You think this sh*t is civil? I've been accused of being paid by Jones. I've seen DB accused of the same. Yet no one gets banned for that. Talk about personal attacks.
The ENTIRE anti-Jones campaign has been a smear campaign. Every if and or but. Yet apparently it's now a smear campaign to point out massive donations from billionaires who don't do jack or sh*t for the city? Can you imagine the outrage if some billionaire donated money like that to Jones? I mean look at the outrage over trying to help city workers raise their kids.
Still can't believe that some of you immediately pull the "X must be paid for their opinion" card. Absolutely abhorrent.
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I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote:99% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
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Clearly because it's all they've really got. It's quite amusing to watch actually. It really shows the strength of Spencer's candidacy this time around.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote:99% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
Because thinking Slay was a good mayor is a good indicator to how "smart" you are. Also Spencer is part of the Slay camp. It'd be like saying "I don't know why George Bush is brought up when talking about Donald Trump." It's pretty obvious why.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote:99% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
How you can hold this opinion- I have not even the slightest of understanding.
I think the city's best mayor in decades is going to lose her job because of a campaign of half truths and lies and if you can't see that you're not gonna change your mind and you're probably part of the problem.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Ooh, what a zinger! Seriously, if you think your approach is effective in persuading people to join Team TJ, the Spencer campaign should thank you.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 202599% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
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Keep reaching Auggie! This is entertaining. You've successfully managed to insult everyone who is disillusioned with TJ's administration by telling them they are stupid. Is this the best Team TJ can do? I'm asking because you seem to be a lot smarter than the rest of us. Please educate us!
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Auggie wrote:Because thinking Slay was a good mayor is a good indicator to how "smart" you are. Also Spencer is part of the Slay camp. It'd be like saying "I don't know why George Bush is brought up when talking about Donald Trump." It's pretty obvious why.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote: 99% chance you think Slay was a good mayor
But who here has even shared the opinion that Slay was a good Mayor. I don’t think I’ve heard that from anyone.Auggie wrote:Because thinking Slay was a good mayor is a good indicator to how "smart" you are. Also Spencer is part of the Slay camp. It'd be like saying "I don't know why George Bush is brought up when talking about Donald Trump." It's pretty obvious why.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote: 99% chance you think Slay was a good mayor
What does it mean that Spencer is “in the Slay camp?
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Can't cal you what you deserve to be called......jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Clearly because it's all they've really got. It's quite amusing to watch actually. It really shows the strength of Spencer's candidacy this time around.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.Auggie wrote:
99% chance you think Slay was a good mayor
But are you ***** serious? I put a detailed explanation of why Jones deserves to be re-elected and even some of my issues with her in the snowstorm page. None of you even acknowledged it. Last night I detailed the majority of attacks and why they're false and you're just choosing to not acknowledge it again?
I have yet to see a comprehensive explanation as to why you or anyone on here thinks Spencer will be a better mayor than Jones has been. What exact policies is she proposing that will be better than Jones' reality? What even is her campaign outside of smearing Jones? Can anyone explain that?
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Can we please try to make this thread a productive one instead of circling the drain in useless personal arguments and ad hominem attacks? We've got 10 weeks to go.
Please. This message board has typically been a breath of fresh air. Very little personal attacks and accusations. Now it's feeling like just another toxic corner of the internet
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If TJ's first term was so great and St. Louisans are so much better off now, why isn't she the obvious choice in this race? I wonder why so many people I know who backed Tishaura FERVENTLY the last race are jumping ship this time. Stupid people who don't know what's best for them! The gaslighting and denial of reality are now a hallmark of Team TJ, and you can't blame Cara or anyone else for that. It worked for Trump, maybe it will work for Team Jones.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Can't cal you what you deserve to be called......jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Clearly because it's all they've really got. It's quite amusing to watch actually. It really shows the strength of Spencer's candidacy this time around.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t understand at all why Slay keeps getting brought up in this debate between Jones and Spencer.
But are you ***** serious? I put a detailed explanation of why Jones deserves to be re-elected and even some of my issues with her in the snowstorm page. None of you even acknowledged it. Last night I detailed the majority of attacks and why they're false and you're just choosing to not acknowledge it again?
I have yet to see a comprehensive explanation as to why you or anyone on here thinks Spencer will be a better mayor than Jones has been. What exact policies is she proposing that will be better than Jones' reality? What even is her campaign outside of smearing Jones? Can anyone explain that?
Can someone give me a positive case for a Spencer admin without referencing Jones, Slay, misc. billionaires or the SLBJ, or "progressive," "moderate," etc.?
I don't see much daylight between them in terms of actual policy, or any tangible reason to think Spencer would be a better administrator than Jones. What are the actual differences besides race, geography, and family baggage?
I don't see much daylight between them in terms of actual policy, or any tangible reason to think Spencer would be a better administrator than Jones. What are the actual differences besides race, geography, and family baggage?
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Totally agree. I don’t see a huge difference at all between the two in terms of policy or leadership.SB in BH wrote:Can someone give me a positive case for a Spencer admin without referencing Jones, Slay, misc. billionaires or the SLBJ, or "progressive," "moderate," etc.?
I don't see much daylight between them in terms of actual policy, or any tangible reason to think Spencer would be a better administrator than Jones. What are the actual differences besides race, geography, and family baggage?
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The source of a candidates funding is an important issues in analyzing their candidacy. You have every right to determine you don’t care. And others have every right to determine they’re uncomfortable with a mayor who appears to be bought and paid for by 3 out of town billionaires
Harris had way higher average donations thanks to larger corporate backing but I assume you still voted for her.
You still doubling all donation given to Spencer?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025St. Louis mayoral race challenger nets $100,000 from Clayco exec
“The founder of construction giant Clayco has donated over $100,000 to Mayor Tishaura Jones’ top challenger in retribution for the company losing out on a north St. Louis project last year.”
This opener in the post story is brutal. Clark did Spencer no favors with this the way he framed it. Weather it’s true or not, a reader is left with thinking that Spencer would allow Clark any project he wants
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... Fl0V7CZCQQ
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Agreed.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025This is a solid assessmentAuggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Jones has been criticized for doing her ***** job representing St. Louis nationally.
Jones has been criticized for "failing" to plow streets (mostly wasn't true) even though she was using the plan created by the moderate Slay Administration in 2014.
Jones has been criticized for defunding the police even though she's done nothing but give them raises over the last 4 years, upgrade the department's equipment, and improve the city's real time crime network.
Jones has been criticized for high crime even though crime is at the lowest it's been in years.
Jones has been criticized for business closings even though the city's GDP has had its best growth under her than any mayor this century.
Jones has been criticized for letting downtown decline even though there's been 0 new major vacancies under her watch, major vacancies like Buter Brothers and Jefferson Arms have been filled, and actual movement happened on RWX and Mellinium with changes in ownership. There's also been 2 plans for AT&T, but not necessarily movement.
Jones gets called corrupt and a criminal because of her father. Not necessarily on here but pretty much everywhere else.
Jones gets criticized for trash collection and 911 even though both of those have been largely (maybe not fully) rectified and were problems that she inherited from the last moderate Administration. The city is even getting a new and improved 911 call center yet I never see anyone give credit for it.
And most recently, Jones is getting criticized for literally trying to help attract and retain city employees who have kids by providing child care and education benefits that are commonplace in many private and public jobs.
These make up the strong majority of the tangible criticism thrown at Jones and are all clearly in bad faith.
Meanwhile Spencer gets a $111k donation from a billionaire who owns 0 companies in the city, moved the headquarters of his primary company from STL to a different city, has grifted STL for years, and intentionally created a bad faith proposal to a RFP just so he could score political points on a mayor that he didn't like (oh wow, a billionare doesn't like an actual progressive?).....and it's "smearing" or "desperation". And you people act like this forum is any better than reddit? You think this sh*t is civil? I've been accused of being paid by Jones. I've seen DB accused of the same. Yet no one gets banned for that. Talk about personal attacks.
The ENTIRE anti-Jones campaign has been a smear campaign. Every if and or but. Yet apparently it's now a smear campaign to point out massive donations from billionaires who don't do jack or sh*t for the city? Can you imagine the outrage if some billionaire donated money like that to Jones? I mean look at the outrage over trying to help city workers raise their kids.
Still can't believe that some of you immediately pull the "X must be paid for their opinion" card. Absolutely abhorrent.
I literally made a long and detailed post last night about the attack campaign against Jones, and the response was people shutting their eyes and saying they don't see anything.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Can we please try to make this thread a productive one instead of circling the drain in useless personal arguments and ad hominem attacks? We've got 10 weeks to go.
Not sure what more you want.
Go back and read the long post I made last night and enlighten yourself.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025If TJ's first term was so great and St. Louisans are so much better off now, why isn't she the obvious choice in this race? I wonder why so many people I know who backed Tishaura FERVENTLY the last race are jumping ship this time. Stupid people who don't know what's best for them! The gaslighting and denial of reality are now a hallmark of Team TJ, and you can't blame Cara or anyone else for that. It worked for Trump, maybe it will work for Team Jones.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Can't cal you what you deserve to be called......jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Clearly because it's all they've really got. It's quite amusing to watch actually. It really shows the strength of Spencer's candidacy this time around.
But are you ***** serious? I put a detailed explanation of why Jones deserves to be re-elected and even some of my issues with her in the snowstorm page. None of you even acknowledged it. Last night I detailed the majority of attacks and why they're false and you're just choosing to not acknowledge it again?
I have yet to see a comprehensive explanation as to why you or anyone on here thinks Spencer will be a better mayor than Jones has been. What exact policies is she proposing that will be better than Jones' reality? What even is her campaign outside of smearing Jones? Can anyone explain that?
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You listed a lot of topics, but it’s a pretty surface level analysis of each topic. You’re also making this strange attempt to label the intent behind each criticism of Tishaura. Do you really think every criticism of Tishaura is in bad faith? Could that even be possible?Auggie wrote:I literally made a long and detailed post last night about the attack campaign against Jones, and the response was people shutting their eyes and saying they don't see anything.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Can we please try to make this thread a productive one instead of circling the drain in useless personal arguments and ad hominem attacks? We've got 10 weeks to go.
Not sure what more you want.
I actually completely agree and that's why it's so frustrating. They were virtually identical 4 years ago and now Spencer us running a campaign that does nothing but attack Jones. No new ideas, no revolutionary new policies that she wants to try. None of that. She has no case to oust a generally successful mayor, yet people on here and other places act like Jones has been horrible and Spencer is this great option.SB in BH wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Can someone give me a positive case for a Spencer admin without referencing Jones, Slay, misc. billionaires or the SLBJ, or "progressive," "moderate," etc.?
I don't see much daylight between them in terms of actual policy, or any tangible reason to think Spencer would be a better administrator than Jones. What are the actual differences besides race, geography, and family baggage?
The reason I reference Slay is because Spencer's base of support- Southwest City- was also Slay's base of support. That's also the most conservative part of the city. She is also running significantly more moderate than Jones this time around.
One worry that I have is that if she wins, she will end up being too liberal for Southwest City and in 2029, we get an even more conservative challenge. Because no matter what Spencer does, she will absolutely be framed as a bad mayor, a failure, woke, etc by the exact people who framed Krewson as that and Jones as that right now.