I think a lot of reader’s main takeaway will be that a developer wanted to invest in North City and Tishaura stopped that from happening.
I don’t think either scenario is entirely true though.
I don’t think either scenario is entirely true though.
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^ no such thing happened. SLDC staff rejected because it was not a responsive bid. They do this all the time. The bid also offered half the price the land was marketed.
^^ agreed. I think anyone excited by this was already going to end up in Jones court. I honestly believed Bob Clark had already donated at least that much for basically the same reason. Bob is not a chill dude. This is fair reporting though.
^ We'll be talking about that site for decades. I really don't believe the neighborhood would've turned it down if they had been given the opportunity to consider it. That was the type of project that created the traffic worthy of investing in retail.
^ We'll be talking about that site for decades. I really don't believe the neighborhood would've turned it down if they had been given the opportunity to consider it. That was the type of project that created the traffic worthy of investing in retail.
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Not many in the media that cover development even believed that Clark’s project was something real anyway. People suspect that the reason they bid so low and proposed a project that didn’t meet the RFP requirements was to purposely get rejected due to Clark’s bad blood with the Jones family.
Is that true? I don’t think so but I’ve heard it from multiple people
Is that true? I don’t think so but I’ve heard it from multiple people
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As I said, neither scenario is entirely true. But I and I think many people felt that proposal was worth at the very least engaging with Clark on to try to come to compromise, even though it wasn’t a responsive bid. They didn’t do that.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ no such thing happened. SLDC staff rejected because it was not a responsive bid. They do this all the time. The bid also offered half the price the land was marketed.
Remember the article from the Post when this happened was headlined “Clark pitched a redo of a North St Louis lot, the City said no.” I think a lot of voters won’t look favorably on Tishaura here.
If he was serious about it, he would have found a way to make it work. Reality is that he never intended to keep the company in the city, made a bad faith offer because he knew it would never be accepted, promptly ***** off, and is now using this pre-meditated scheme to get a pawn elected mayor.
Someone else already said it, but if Bob Clark is one your side (the guy who has sold out the city for years and has never put any serious ideas or actions towards helping it) you are probably on the wrong side.
Someone else already said it, but if Bob Clark is one your side (the guy who has sold out the city for years and has never put any serious ideas or actions towards helping it) you are probably on the wrong side.
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LOL. as if Tishaura would've turned down $100K from Bob Clark. but since it's the competitor she must be bought, despite no evidence. classic propaganda. quick, let's make up all sorts nefarious hypotheticals—i heard Cara's using all that dark money to siphon babies' souls and extend her own life!
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I don’t think that what you’re saying is impossible, but there isn’t any evidence of it.Auggie wrote:If he was serious about it, he would have found a way to make it work. Reality is that he never intended to keep the company in the city, made a bad faith offer because he knew it would never be accepted, promptly ***** off, and is now using this pre-meditated scheme to get a pawn elected mayor.
Someone else already said it, but if Bob Clark is one your side (the guy who has sold out the city for years and has never put any serious ideas or actions towards helping it) you are probably on the wrong side.
It also doesn’t explain why the city didn’t even try to work with Bob or see if a compromise was possible. It’s not as if they tried at all to accommodate and he just left anyway.
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He left as soon as his original proposal was denied. He didn't give any time for accommodations to be made.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t think that what you’re saying is impossible, but there isn’t any evidence of it.Auggie wrote:If he was serious about it, he would have found a way to make it work. Reality is that he never intended to keep the company in the city, made a bad faith offer because he knew it would never be accepted, promptly ***** off, and is now using this pre-meditated scheme to get a pawn elected mayor.
Someone else already said it, but if Bob Clark is one your side (the guy who has sold out the city for years and has never put any serious ideas or actions towards helping it) you are probably on the wrong side.
It also doesn’t explain why the city didn’t even try to work with Bob or see if a compromise was possible. It’s not as if they tried at all to accommodate and he just left anyway.
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That’s not what he’s claiming, according to the reporting from that time.Auggie wrote:He left as soon as his original proposal was denied. He didn't give any time for accommodations to be made.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t think that what you’re saying is impossible, but there isn’t any evidence of it.Auggie wrote:If he was serious about it, he would have found a way to make it work. Reality is that he never intended to keep the company in the city, made a bad faith offer because he knew it would never be accepted, promptly ***** off, and is now using this pre-meditated scheme to get a pawn elected mayor.
Someone else already said it, but if Bob Clark is one your side (the guy who has sold out the city for years and has never put any serious ideas or actions towards helping it) you are probably on the wrong side.
It also doesn’t explain why the city didn’t even try to work with Bob or see if a compromise was possible. It’s not as if they tried at all to accommodate and he just left anyway.
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His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025That’s not what he’s claiming, according to the reporting from that time.Auggie wrote:He left as soon as his original proposal was denied. He didn't give any time for accommodations to be made.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I don’t think that what you’re saying is impossible, but there isn’t any evidence of it.
It also doesn’t explain why the city didn’t even try to work with Bob or see if a compromise was possible. It’s not as if they tried at all to accommodate and he just left anyway.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... jones.html
SLBJ article on the Bob Clark donation.
Bob Clark claims that Jones was treating him unfairly (completely made up), he prefers Spencer's approach to crime (what even is her approach?), and says Jones is incompetent.
SLBJ article on the Bob Clark donation.
Bob Clark claims that Jones was treating him unfairly (completely made up), he prefers Spencer's approach to crime (what even is her approach?), and says Jones is incompetent.
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Right. We’ve already covered the sequence of events. I think people’s frustration is around the fact that the city didnt even try to work with him on it, even though his proposal didn’t respond to the RFP.Auggie wrote:His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025That’s not what he’s claiming, according to the reporting from that time.Auggie wrote: He left as soon as his original proposal was denied. He didn't give any time for accommodations to be made.
If you don’t think the city should have tried to work with him, that’s fine. I’m just pointing out that I think a lot of voters feel otherwise.
The city did. He didn't care (and never did, which is my point). If he wanted to leave the city, that's whatever. But he intentionally gave bad response to a RFP and then didn't work with the developers that the city told him would have better sites for what he wanted just so he could make bad news for Jones and call back to it in the future.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Right. We’ve already covered the sequence of events. I think people’s frustration is around the fact that the city didnt even try to work with him on it, even though his proposal didn’t respond to the RFP.Auggie wrote:His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025That’s not what he’s claiming, according to the reporting from that time.
If you don’t think the city should have tried to work with him, that’s fine. I’m just pointing out that I think a lot of voters feel otherwise.
It’s called politics and this type of maneuvering/showmanship is just part of the game. All sides are doing it.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025The city did. He didn't care (and never did, which is my point). If he wanted to leave the city, that's whatever. But he intentionally gave bad response to a RFP and then didn't work with the developers that the city told him would have better sites for what he wanted just so he could make bad news for Jones and call back to it in the future.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Right. We’ve already covered the sequence of events. I think people’s frustration is around the fact that the city didnt even try to work with him on it, even though his proposal didn’t respond to the RFP.Auggie wrote:
His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.
If you don’t think the city should have tried to work with him, that’s fine. I’m just pointing out that I think a lot of voters feel otherwise.
As Omar from the wire said "I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase. It's all in the game, though, right?"
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I think the amount of energy spent trying to smear Cara over a big campaign donation is actually a good sign for her, because I doubt the majority of St. Louisans care at all, they just want better leadership.
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You bring up a good point, as she enters year 10 in politics and year 5 of running for mayor, maybe we will see some leadership from here?
The majority of St. Louisans live better lives because of Jones but are told by conservatives that they don't.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025I think the amount of energy spent trying to smear Cara over a big campaign donation is actually a good sign for her, because I doubt the majority of St. Louisans care at all, they just want better leadership.
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^The next round of desperation by the Jomes campaign. Convince St. Louisans who aren't happy with current leadership that their lives are actually better and that the opposition is "conservative"
Even as the Jones sycophants are propping up the claims of Jan 6 insurrectionists on East Cherokee St who have labeled Spencer a "communist".
You can't make this up!
Even as the Jones sycophants are propping up the claims of Jan 6 insurrectionists on East Cherokee St who have labeled Spencer a "communist".
You can't make this up!
No I can't. America just elected a fascist because conservatives told them that their lives were worse when they were actually better.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025^The next round of desperation by the Jomes campaign. Convince St. Louisans who aren't happy with current leadership that their lives are actually better and that the opposition is "conservative"
Even as the Jones sycophants are propping up the claims of Jan 6 insurrectionists on East Cherokee St who have labeled Spencer a "communist".
You can't make this up!
And now the same sh*t is happening here.
Jones has been criticized for doing her ***** job representing St. Louis nationally.
Jones has been criticized for "failing" to plow streets (mostly wasn't true) even though she was using the plan created by the moderate Slay Administration in 2014.
Jones has been criticized for defunding the police even though she's done nothing but give them raises over the last 4 years, upgrade the department's equipment, and improve the city's real time crime network.
Jones has been criticized for high crime even though crime is at the lowest it's been in years.
Jones has been criticized for business closings even though the city's GDP has had its best growth under her than any mayor this century.
Jones has been criticized for letting downtown decline even though there's been 0 new major vacancies under her watch, major vacancies like Buter Brothers and Jefferson Arms have been filled, and actual movement happened on RWX and Mellinium with changes in ownership. There's also been 2 plans for AT&T, but not necessarily movement.
Jones gets called corrupt and a criminal because of her father. Not necessarily on here but pretty much everywhere else.
Jones gets criticized for trash collection and 911 even though both of those have been largely (maybe not fully) rectified and were problems that she inherited from the last moderate Administration. The city is even getting a new and improved 911 call center yet I never see anyone give credit for it.
And most recently, Jones is getting criticized for literally trying to help attract and retain city employees who have kids by providing child care and education benefits that are commonplace in many private and public jobs.
These make up the strong majority of the tangible criticism thrown at Jones and are all clearly in bad faith.
Meanwhile Spencer gets a $111k donation from a billionaire who owns 0 companies in the city, moved the headquarters of his primary company from STL to a different city, has grifted STL for years, and intentionally created a bad faith proposal to a RFP just so he could score political points on a mayor that he didn't like (oh wow, a billionare doesn't like an actual progressive?).....and it's "smearing" or "desperation". And you people act like this forum is any better than reddit? You think this sh*t is civil? I've been accused of being paid by Jones. I've seen DB accused of the same. Yet no one gets banned for that. Talk about personal attacks.
The ENTIRE anti-Jones campaign has been a smear campaign. Every if and or but. Yet apparently it's now a smear campaign to point out massive donations from billionaires who don't do jack or sh*t for the city? Can you imagine the outrage if some billionaire donated money like that to Jones? I mean look at the outrage over trying to help city workers raise their kids.
Still can't believe that some of you immediately pull the "X must be paid for their opinion" card. Absolutely abhorrent.
Jones has been criticized for "failing" to plow streets (mostly wasn't true) even though she was using the plan created by the moderate Slay Administration in 2014.
Jones has been criticized for defunding the police even though she's done nothing but give them raises over the last 4 years, upgrade the department's equipment, and improve the city's real time crime network.
Jones has been criticized for high crime even though crime is at the lowest it's been in years.
Jones has been criticized for business closings even though the city's GDP has had its best growth under her than any mayor this century.
Jones has been criticized for letting downtown decline even though there's been 0 new major vacancies under her watch, major vacancies like Buter Brothers and Jefferson Arms have been filled, and actual movement happened on RWX and Mellinium with changes in ownership. There's also been 2 plans for AT&T, but not necessarily movement.
Jones gets called corrupt and a criminal because of her father. Not necessarily on here but pretty much everywhere else.
Jones gets criticized for trash collection and 911 even though both of those have been largely (maybe not fully) rectified and were problems that she inherited from the last moderate Administration. The city is even getting a new and improved 911 call center yet I never see anyone give credit for it.
And most recently, Jones is getting criticized for literally trying to help attract and retain city employees who have kids by providing child care and education benefits that are commonplace in many private and public jobs.
These make up the strong majority of the tangible criticism thrown at Jones and are all clearly in bad faith.
Meanwhile Spencer gets a $111k donation from a billionaire who owns 0 companies in the city, moved the headquarters of his primary company from STL to a different city, has grifted STL for years, and intentionally created a bad faith proposal to a RFP just so he could score political points on a mayor that he didn't like (oh wow, a billionare doesn't like an actual progressive?).....and it's "smearing" or "desperation". And you people act like this forum is any better than reddit? You think this sh*t is civil? I've been accused of being paid by Jones. I've seen DB accused of the same. Yet no one gets banned for that. Talk about personal attacks.
The ENTIRE anti-Jones campaign has been a smear campaign. Every if and or but. Yet apparently it's now a smear campaign to point out massive donations from billionaires who don't do jack or sh*t for the city? Can you imagine the outrage if some billionaire donated money like that to Jones? I mean look at the outrage over trying to help city workers raise their kids.
Still can't believe that some of you immediately pull the "X must be paid for their opinion" card. Absolutely abhorrent.
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TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't? 
Stick to that line because this is the best I've heard in a while. "St. Louisans, you are so stupid! You are fools! Tishaura's people know better than you do about what makes your life better. Your eyes and ears don't work." Lol!
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
Stick to that line because this is the best I've heard in a while. "St. Louisans, you are so stupid! You are fools! Tishaura's people know better than you do about what makes your life better. Your eyes and ears don't work." Lol! You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
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I don’t think your memory is correct here. The City did offer sites more suitable for Concrete Strategies business.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Right. We’ve already covered the sequence of events. I think people’s frustration is around the fact that the city didnt even try to work with him on it, even though his proposal didn’t respond to the RFP.Auggie wrote:His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025That’s not what he’s claiming, according to the reporting from that time.
99% chance you think Slay was a good mayorjivecitystl wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025TJ's campaign tactic is now gaslighting people into thinking their lives are better now when they aren't?
You guys are for sure working for Spencer's campaign because you're making this way too easy for her. "But Bob Clark!"
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I remember they made a comment about suggesting Clark look at other sites.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:I don’t think your memory is correct here. The City did offer sites more suitable for Concrete Strategies business.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2025Right. We’ve already covered the sequence of events. I think people’s frustration is around the fact that the city didnt even try to work with him on it, even though his proposal didn’t respond to the RFP.Auggie wrote: His company responded to a RFP for a site that the city wanted retail at. His industrial proposal was denied. And then he left the city. That's what happened. And it was by design.
I still think they should have been more open working him on that proposal for that sight.