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PostJan 26, 2025#326

Mayor's spokesperson informed press that there would be trash blitz event with various teams clearing the trash and yet I read countless threads on Nextdoor where citizens are complaining about trash not picked up yet.

When you can't keep a word, let's not promise it.

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PostJan 26, 2025#327

stlurbanist wrote:
Jan 26, 2025
Mayor's spokesperson informed press that there would be trash blitz event with various teams clearing the trash and yet I read countless threads on Nextdoor where citizens are complaining about trash not picked up yet.

When you can't keep a word, let's not promise it.
Disciplinary hearings keeping some trash trucks off the street.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 6754a4174d

Also still worth mentioning that this isn't a universal issue. My dumpster skipped 1 week and has been picked up twice since the one missed week.

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PostJan 26, 2025#328

Man, you guys are emotionally mean-spirited when an opinion different from yours is offered. Offer city employees free childcare. Fine. Let’s see how it works out.

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PostJan 26, 2025#329

No bill offers free childcare. Bb 153CS offers a pilot program that will offer a partial stipend for childcare costs

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PostJan 26, 2025#330

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Man, you guys are emotionally mean-spirited when an opinion different from yours is offered. Offer city employees free childcare. Fine. Let’s see how it works out.
They literally are doing that. This is a proposed program to see how it works and if it works.

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PostJan 26, 2025#331

So is this “stipend” being proposed to recruit and retain the best city employees admits that current staffing is subpar?

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PostJan 26, 2025#332

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So is this “stipend” being proposed to recruit and retain the best city employees admits that current staffing is subpar?
Yes, the current staffing is subpar. It’s been subpar for 2 decades. 1100 short right now.

My firm will hire an out of college engineer at $90,000 tomorrow in STL, especially in mechanical, electrical and fire protection speciality. The city hires the same ones to review building permit plans, it’s $55,000.

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PostJan 27, 2025#333

Mods:

How much longer do we have to put up with Auggie calling fellow members "stupid" "a**holes"? This is supposed to be a civilized forum; not Reddit.  

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PostJan 27, 2025#334

framer wrote:
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Mods:

How much longer do we have to put up with Auggie calling fellow members "stupid" "a**holes"? This is supposed to be a civilized forum; not Reddit.  
Better question: how long do you have to put up with stupid a**holes in the forum?

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PostJan 27, 2025#335

framer wrote:
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Mods:

How much longer do we have to put up with Auggie calling fellow members "stupid" "a**holes"? This is supposed to be a civilized forum; not Reddit.  
forum-rules-and-tolerances-t2036.html

Being snarky is one thing, but the language and negativity is a little much. Some people need to tone down the personal attacks. Otherwise, they shouldn't be allowed to participate in this forum.

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PostJan 27, 2025#336

24 hour ban is already in place. No further discussion needed. Back on topic, please.

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PostJan 27, 2025#337

Re upping this to get us back on topic.

The alder races are bleak this year.
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PostJan 27, 2025#338

stlurbanist wrote:
Jan 26, 2025
Mayor's spokesperson informed press that there would be trash blitz event with various teams clearing the trash and yet I read countless threads on Nextdoor where citizens are complaining about trash not picked up yet.

When you can't keep a word, let's not promise it.
NextDoor is such a cesspool of complaints I'm not sure it's possible to get on the thing without hearing the world is on fire and everyone nearby is evil. Jones may well be in trouble, but I don't think NextDoor is a particularly good gage of how much or why.

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PostJan 27, 2025#339

I realized today that unlike 2021 we'll have a pretty good idea on March 4th of each candidates odds. 

In 2021, voters had three legitimate options. Meaning a Cara Spencer voter could also choose to vote for Tishaura to block Lewis Reed or some alternative combination of the three. There was motivation to vote for two people. That doesn't exist in 2025. The two candidates are essentially set and most voters have already decided between them.  I don't see Jones voters offering their vote for Spencer and vice versa in a "lesser of two evils" scenario. It'll be really good information for both campaigns in determining where their ground game should be between March and April. 

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PostJan 28, 2025#340

symphonicpoet wrote:
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stlurbanist wrote:
Jan 26, 2025
Mayor's spokesperson informed press that there would be trash blitz event with various teams clearing the trash and yet I read countless threads on Nextdoor where citizens are complaining about trash not picked up yet.

When you can't keep a word, let's not promise it.
NextDoor is such a cesspool of complaints I'm not sure it's possible to get on the thing without hearing the world is on fire and everyone nearby is evil. Jones may well be in trouble, but I don't think NextDoor is a particularly good gage of how much or why.

I don't consider Nextdoor comments to be the proverbial canary in the coal mine for Tishaura Jones' campaign but I just haven't seen the same motivation among her voters that she had when she narrowly won in 2021. Or even 2017 when she very narrowly lost.

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PostJan 28, 2025#341

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I don't get why Downtown needs a lot of infrastructure investment, it seems fine. I don't think if all the roads were freshly paved that would magically bring back the fortune 500 companies that used to based there. When I talk to people who have a bad image of Downtown infrastructure is not what they mention...
That's an oversimplification I think.  Downtown is a LOT more than just its infrastructure.  Would anyone argue that downtown is not an important part of the city?  It really is a microcosm of the city at large, and its condition reflects the city's/metro's priorities and values.  It is a terrible look that our downtown is in such a sorry state.  Again, investment in downtown is an investment in the whole city and everyone who lives, works and plays there.  It's frustrating that some alders are spinning this as an either/or scenario. Investing in downtown's future and vitality is a win-win for EVERYONE in the St. Louis metro area.  Attempts to downplay downtown's importance only underscores the systemic myopia St. Louis has become famous for.  I expect it in the suburbs/exurbs, but on the UrbanSTL forum?  We got problems.  
So you're saying we need to make restoring city hall a priority.

PostJan 28, 2025#342

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Politically, I think TJ should find a way to punt the final Rams spending plan until after next election. I don’t think interested voters will vote for her when they approve RAMS money for childcare to city employees who already make their money off taxpayers’ backs.

Just wait a little while, then if/when she wins or moves on, they can set aside money for free childcare for public employees.
I agree, don't increase the cost per employee. I think she needs to spend money to bring in tech and find efficiency. Use the one time injection to make necessary efficiencies to reduce future expenses, especially pension liabilities.

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PostJan 28, 2025#343

flipz wrote:
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whitherSTL wrote:
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Politically, I think TJ should find a way to punt the final Rams spending plan until after next election. I don’t think interested voters will vote for her when they approve RAMS money for childcare to city employees who already make their money off taxpayers’ backs.

Just wait a little while, then if/when she wins or moves on, they can set aside money for free childcare for public employees.
I agree, don't increase the cost per employee. I think she needs to spend money to bring in tech and find efficiency. Use the one time injection to make necessary efficiencies to reduce future expenses, especially pension liabilities.
I agree, the focus should be on being more efficient. If you can't find enough employees, why not invest to automate as much as possible?

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PostJan 28, 2025#344

Others may know better, but my understanding is that the jobs going unfilled mostly require an actual person, e.g., trash pickup, park and street maintenance, etc. There may some opportunities for automation, e.g., the permit reviewing process DB mentions above, but I'm not sure there's an off-the-shelf tech solution the City could buy but hasn't due to a lack of funds. 

Based on the Mayor's interview on NPR last week, it sounds like the Personnel department was operating on ancient computer systems that are now being replaced, which should help with hiring. (TJ deserves credit for this and lots of other boring governance stuff that the last 4 Mayors ignored). But that won't change the fact that the City pays less than the private sector (and less than other state/local governments?). 

I think childcare subsidies make sense as a general recruitment tactic, but I'm not crazy about using Ram's money to do that, given the one-time nature of those funds. Is there a credible plan for adding those expenses to the Personnel budget as a permanent benefit for City employees once the initial seed money from the Rams settlement is spent? If not, then we should spend the Ram's money elsewhere, namely one-time projects that we couldn't afford otherwise, i.e., fixing infrastructure the built environment downtown and in the most neglected parts of the City.

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PostJan 28, 2025#345

There are some admin tasks that can be automated but its probably 5-10% of 5,000 jobs tops.  its a worth while thing to go after but these are back of house type of things that most residents never see nor are impacted by them, like city employee payroll processing.   City employees hand write time sheets 

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PostJan 28, 2025#346

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Others may know better, but my understanding is that the jobs going unfilled mostly require an actual person, e.g., trash pickup, park and street maintenance, etc. There may some opportunities for automation, e.g., the permit reviewing process DB mentions above, but I'm not sure there's an off-the-shelf tech solution the City could buy but hasn't due to a lack of funds. 

Based on the Mayor's interview on NPR last week, it sounds like the Personnel department was operating on ancient computer systems that are now being replaced, which should help with hiring. (TJ deserves credit for this and lots of other boring governance stuff that the last 4 Mayors ignored). But that won't change the fact that the City pays less than the private sector (and less than other state/local governments?). 

I think childcare subsidies make sense as a general recruitment tactic, but I'm not crazy about using Ram's money to do that, given the one-time nature of those funds. Is there a credible plan for adding those expenses to the Personnel budget as a permanent benefit for City employees once the initial seed money from the Rams settlement is spent? If not, then we should spend the Ram's money elsewhere, namely one-time projects that we couldn't afford otherwise, i.e., fixing infrastructure the built environment downtown and in the most neglected parts of the City.
I think the plan is only to use the interest from the earmarked portion for childcare which would solve the issue about the permanent status of the benefit. However, if they earmark for example $40 million the interest of that would only be $1.6 million per year (which would decrease to $1.2 million if the rates go down to 3%). This is about $100K per month to subsidize childcare. Let's assume a $500 usd benefit per month per employee, is it really worth it to earmark that much money just to help 200 employees? I don't think so. (If it's less per employee, would it really make that much of a difference to fill positions?) Childcare affordability should be something for the State and Federal government to try to solve. I strongly believe the city is better off spending that money in infrastructure downtown (that would be doubled by the private investment). Beautification of downtown would drive more revenue int he short term through sales taxes that could in turn be used to pay for that benefit if the city believes that's the priority.

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PostJan 28, 2025#347

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Jan 28, 2025
Others may know better, but my understanding is that the jobs going unfilled mostly require an actual person, e.g., trash pickup, park and street maintenance, etc. There may some opportunities for automation, e.g., the permit reviewing process DB mentions above, but I'm not sure there's an off-the-shelf tech solution the City could buy but hasn't due to a lack of funds. 

Based on the Mayor's interview on NPR last week, it sounds like the Personnel department was operating on ancient computer systems that are now being replaced, which should help with hiring. (TJ deserves credit for this and lots of other boring governance stuff that the last 4 Mayors ignored). But that won't change the fact that the City pays less than the private sector (and less than other state/local governments?). 

I think childcare subsidies make sense as a general recruitment tactic, but I'm not crazy about using Ram's money to do that, given the one-time nature of those funds. Is there a credible plan for adding those expenses to the Personnel budget as a permanent benefit for City employees once the initial seed money from the Rams settlement is spent? If not, then we should spend the Ram's money elsewhere, namely one-time projects that we couldn't afford otherwise, i.e., fixing infrastructure the built environment downtown and in the most neglected parts of the City.
The childcare subsidy is a pilot program to see if and how it works. If it doesn't work as intended, then they won't pursue it in the future. If it does work, then it's worth spending actual money on in the future.

PostJan 28, 2025#348

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SB in BH wrote:
Jan 28, 2025
Others may know better, but my understanding is that the jobs going unfilled mostly require an actual person, e.g., trash pickup, park and street maintenance, etc. There may some opportunities for automation, e.g., the permit reviewing process DB mentions above, but I'm not sure there's an off-the-shelf tech solution the City could buy but hasn't due to a lack of funds. 

Based on the Mayor's interview on NPR last week, it sounds like the Personnel department was operating on ancient computer systems that are now being replaced, which should help with hiring. (TJ deserves credit for this and lots of other boring governance stuff that the last 4 Mayors ignored). But that won't change the fact that the City pays less than the private sector (and less than other state/local governments?). 

I think childcare subsidies make sense as a general recruitment tactic, but I'm not crazy about using Ram's money to do that, given the one-time nature of those funds. Is there a credible plan for adding those expenses to the Personnel budget as a permanent benefit for City employees once the initial seed money from the Rams settlement is spent? If not, then we should spend the Ram's money elsewhere, namely one-time projects that we couldn't afford otherwise, i.e., fixing infrastructure the built environment downtown and in the most neglected parts of the City.
I think the plan is only to use the interest from the earmarked portion for childcare which would solve the issue about the permanent status of the benefit. However, if they earmark for example $40 million the interest of that would only be $1.6 million per year (which would decrease to $1.2 million if the rates go down to 3%). This is about $100K per month to subsidize childcare. Let's assume a $500 usd benefit per month per employee, is it really worth it to earmark that much money just to help 200 employees? I don't think so. (If it's less per employee, would it really make that much of a difference to fill positions?) Childcare affordability should be something for the State and Federal government to try to solve. I strongly believe the city is better off spending that money in infrastructure downtown (that would be doubled by the private investment). Beautification of downtown would drive more revenue int he short term through sales taxes that could in turn be used to pay for that benefit if the city believes that's the priority.
Hey I don't know if you realized, but the state and federal government are run by insane people who hate you. They aren't gonna "solve" childcare affordability.

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PostJan 28, 2025#349

Bob Clark, who does not live in the city or employ anyone in the city (assuming Concrete Strategies’ relocation is finished), has donated $100K to the Cara Spencer campaign.

This puts me firmly in the Tishuara camp. Cara Spencer is going to serve to out of town business interests. We’ve had enough of that.

And given Jeff Rainford’s name was all over the BJ’s hit piece on the mayor about travel, I’d wager Clayco/Clark paid for that article.

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PostJan 28, 2025#350

Thanks for the detail, in which case I agree with all your other points. 

That said, the feds will never do anything substantive about the cost of childcare. The Parson Administration was pretty good on this issue but I'm not sure the Kehoe Admin will keep it as a priority, and the General Assembly is wholly focused on cutting taxes and rounding up undesirables and concentrating them in some kind of camp. So I can see why Jones/Green/etc. are focused on this as a City priority. Doesn't make it a good idea, just an understandable one. I'd rather they spent the money elsewhere as you describe.

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