Could NBA return to STL after nearly 60 years?

dweebe · PostJun 08, 2024#4262024-06-08T17:10+00:00

goat314 wrote: ↑
Jun 08, 2024
dweebe wrote: ↑
Jun 08, 2024
Colin Marc wrote: ↑
Apr 30, 2024
Unfortunately New Orleans, they are getting a renovation or a new stadium soon. Details should be coming out soon on their study they just completed.
Maybe not. They've got issues.

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelicans/sm ... d3aad.html
New Orleans is a poor region, less than half the size of metro St. Louis. I'm surprised they have more than 1 professional team. I think the Saints stay, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pelicans relocate. Memphis is another smaller, poor region that can barely support the Grizzlies. Don't be surprised if they threaten to leave if they don't get a new stadium one day too.

There's nothing wrong with the Fed Ex Forum in Memphis. Barely 20 years and it feels much nicer/newer than Enterprise even after the renovations here. Their concourses are like twice as wide plus they have all the pipes and wires hiding in covered ceiling: unlike Enterprise which looks trashy because the stuff is exposed.

But Memphis as a region is having one hell of a tough time. And it doesn't help that Nashville is doing everything in its power to bully the little brother.

PostJul 03, 2024#4272024-07-03T21:59+00:00

Salt Lake City approved nearly $900 million in public financing to renovate the Delta Center for hockey and basketball.

$525 million for the arena itself
$375 million for the surrounding area

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2024/07/02 ... yan-smith/

The Delta Center opened in 1991 and renovated in 2016-2017 for around $175 million.
The Enterprise Center opened in 1994 and was renovated 2017-2019 for around $150 million.

jshank83 · PostJul 17, 2024#4282024-07-17T03:35+00:00

Better find our billionaire buyer soon.

whitherSTL · PostJul 17, 2024#4292024-07-17T11:12+00:00

Hard to believe that a no-growth 2.8MM metro with an established NHL team would even be top 5 potential expansion prospects.

But, money talks. So never say never.

RockChalkSTL · PostJul 17, 2024#4302024-07-17T13:30+00:00

If the league is expanding to 32 clubs, St. Louis and Kansas City have exactly a 0% chance at landing an expansion club.

Everybody knows the league wants Seattle and Las Vegas.

If the league is expanding to 34 clubs or more, that's when cities like St. Louis and Kansas City can enter the conversation.

dweebe · PostJul 17, 2024#4312024-07-17T16:17+00:00

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑
Jul 17, 2024
If the league is expanding to 32 clubs, St. Louis and Kansas City have exactly a 0% chance at landing an expansion club.

Everybody knows the league wants Seattle and Las Vegas.

Part of the rumor was the NBA owners were hoping that Jeff Bezos would overpay for a Seattle expansion team, further increasing their value. But now Bezos might be one of the mystery buyers of the Boston Celtics which would take him out of the Seattle Sonics v2.0 derby.

goat314 · PostJul 17, 2024#4322024-07-17T18:54+00:00

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑
Jul 17, 2024
If the league is expanding to 32 clubs, St. Louis and Kansas City have exactly a 0% chance at landing an expansion club.

Everybody knows the league wants Seattle and Las Vegas.

If the league is expanding to 34 clubs or more, that's when cities like St. Louis and Kansas City can enter the conversation.

I think St. Louis has a better chance of Memphis or New Orleans relocation.

STLAPTS · PostJul 18, 2024#4332024-07-18T01:23+00:00

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑
Jul 17, 2024
If the league is expanding to 32 clubs, St. Louis and Kansas City have exactly a 0% chance at landing an expansion club.

Everybody knows the league wants Seattle and Las Vegas.

If the league is expanding to 34 clubs or more, that's when cities like St. Louis and Kansas City can enter the conversation.

I wouldn't underestimate David Stewart of World Wide Technology. If he wants it bad enough, we have much better than a 0% chance.

whitherSTL · PostJul 18, 2024#4342024-07-18T02:33+00:00

Yep, always a chance.

dweebe · PostJul 18, 2024#4352024-07-18T04:25+00:00

whitherSTL wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Yep, always a chance.

Not a chance for expansion when competing with Seattle tech bro money or Las Vegas gambling money.

Plus Seattle has a new arena built ready for an NBA team and the Las Vegas proposal involves building one. All St. Louis can offer is the almost 30 year old Enterprise Center.

STLEnginerd · PostJul 18, 2024#4362024-07-18T13:04+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
whitherSTL wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Yep, always a chance.
Not a chance for expansion when competing with Seattle tech bro money or Las Vegas gambling money.

Plus Seattle has a new arena built ready for an NBA team and the Las Vegas proposal involves building one. All St. Louis can offer is the almost 30 year old Enterprise Center.

Well you are right in so much that we would not get a team without a rich benefactor and a stadium proposal. That's true for a relocation proposal as well. Seattle is a lock except for some reason they don't already have a team. I don't understand why but whatever has prevented it for the past 2 decades is the same thing that might stop them now.

dweebe · PostJul 18, 2024#4372024-07-18T16:46+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Well you are right in so much that we would not get a team without a rich benefactor and a stadium proposal. That's true for a relocation proposal as well. Seattle is a lock except for some reason they don't already have a team. I don't understand why but whatever has prevented it for the past 2 decades is the same thing that might stop them now.

It took forever for Seattle to renovate the old Key Arena/current Climate Pledge Arena in to what it is now. They kept the roof and basically built a whole new arena under it by removing all of the old venue. I think they removed all the concrete, went down like 30 feet then completely rebuilt up and out from there.

PostJul 18, 2024#4382024-07-18T16:57+00:00

Wow. Talk about timing.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostJul 18, 2024#4392024-07-18T17:57+00:00

Again, the NBA would kill to have America’s wealthiest black man among its ownership. This is the only way it happens in StL.

Yes, we can beat Seattle. Hell, OKC beat Seattle. Memphis TN beat Vancouver, CA. What matters is the ownership group and the whether civic leadership is going to support it.

STLAPTS · PostJul 18, 2024#4402024-07-18T18:36+00:00

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Again, the NBA would kill to have America’s wealthiest black man among its ownership. This is the only way it happens in StL.

Yes, we can beat Seattle. Hell, OKC beat Seattle. Memphis TN beat Vancouver, CA. What matters is the ownership group and the whether civic leadership is going to support it.

Couldn't agree more.

dweebe · PostJul 18, 2024#4412024-07-18T20:06+00:00

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Again, the NBA would kill to have America’s wealthiest black man among its ownership. This is the only way it happens in StL.

Yes, we can beat Seattle. Hell, OKC beat Seattle. Memphis TN beat Vancouver, CA. What matters is the ownership group and the whether civic leadership is going to support it.

Seattle has a 3 year old building: we have a 30 year old one.

Seattle should have never lost the Sonics. If you feel that "OKC beat Seattle" you are wrong. The move of the Sonics was easily one of the worst justified team moves and really isn't too dissimilar than the Rams leaving St. Louis.

A big reason the Sonics left Seattle was they stood up to the owner and didn't gift him a new arena. Just the same way St. Louis didn't give the Hawks a new venue and let them go to Atlanta back in the 1960s.

In regards to the Grizzlies, they would probably still be in Vancouver if it wasn't for a series of mistakes and bad decisions coinciding with a historic low for the Canadian Dollar.

STLAPTS · PostJul 18, 2024#4422024-07-18T20:23+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Again, the NBA would kill to have America’s wealthiest black man among its ownership. This is the only way it happens in StL.

Yes, we can beat Seattle. Hell, OKC beat Seattle. Memphis TN beat Vancouver, CA. What matters is the ownership group and the whether civic leadership is going to support it.
Seattle has a 3 year old building: we have a 30 year old one.

Seattle should have never lost the Sonics. If you feel that "OKC beat Seattle" you are wrong. The move of the Sonics was easily one of the worst justified team moves and really isn't too dissimilar than the Rams leaving St. Louis.

A big reason the Sonics left Seattle was they stood up to the owner and didn't gift him a new arena. Just the same way St. Louis didn't give the Hawks a new venue and let them go to Atlanta back in the 1960s.

In regards to the Grizzlies, they would probably still be in Vancouver if it wasn't for a series of mistakes and bad decisions coinciding with a historic low for the Canadian Dollar.

Shahid Kahn was going to purchase the Grizzlies and move them to St. Louis. The NBA prohibited the move because of the deal they had in place Ozzie and Daniel Silna. The brothers got bought out in the last ten years which would allow an expansion team or a relocation. Pretty awesome story for anyone not familiar. ESPN did a 30 for 30.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirits_of_St._Louis

dweebe · PostJul 18, 2024#4432024-07-18T21:17+00:00

STLAPTS wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Shahid Kahn was going to purchase the Grizzlies and move them to St. Louis. The NBA prohibited the move because of the deal they had in place Ozzie and Daniel Silna. The brothers got bought out in the last ten years which would allow an expansion team or a relocation. Pretty awesome story for anyone not familiar. ESPN did a 30 for 30.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirits_of_St._Louis

What are you talking about? You'd got teams, people and decades all crossed up.

The Silnas brothers owned the ABA Spirits of St. Louis and when that league then partially merged with the NBA in 1976 they took the broadcast share.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-regu ... 01166.html

Shad Khan was never involved with the NBA to St. Louis. When Georgia Frontiere died he was second in line to buy the Rams but was blocked by Stan Kroenke
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/377 ... khan-fight

It was then St. Louis Blues owner Bill Laurie that tried to buy the Vancouver Grizzlies to bring them here but got blocked.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... le1036295/

STLAPTS · PostJul 18, 2024#4442024-07-18T21:32+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
STLAPTS wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Shahid Kahn was going to purchase the Grizzlies and move them to St. Louis. The NBA prohibited the move because of the deal they had in place Ozzie and Daniel Silna. The brothers got bought out in the last ten years which would allow an expansion team or a relocation. Pretty awesome story for anyone not familiar. ESPN did a 30 for 30.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirits_of_St._Louis
What are you talking about? You'd got teams, people and decades all crossed up.

The Silnas brothers owned the ABA Spirits of St. Louis and when that league then partially merged with the NBA in 1976 they took the broadcast share.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-regu ... 01166.html

Shad Khan was never involved with the NBA to St. Louis. When Georgia Frontiere died he was second in line to buy the Rams but was blocked by Stan Kroenke

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/377 ... khan-fight

It was then St. Louis Blues owner Bill Laurie that tried to buy the Vancouver Grizzlies to bring them here but got blocked.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... le1036295/

The Silnas deal with the NBA prohibited a team from being in STL while it was in place. In an interview, Kahn talked about wanting to buy Grizzlies and move them here but was the aforementioned prevented it.

dweebe · PostJul 18, 2024#4452024-07-18T23:27+00:00

STLAPTS wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
STLAPTS wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Shahid Kahn was going to purchase the Grizzlies and move them to St. Louis. The NBA prohibited the move because of the deal they had in place Ozzie and Daniel Silna. The brothers got bought out in the last ten years which would allow an expansion team or a relocation. Pretty awesome story for anyone not familiar. ESPN did a 30 for 30.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirits_of_St._Louis
What are you talking about? You'd got teams, people and decades all crossed up.

The Silnas brothers owned the ABA Spirits of St. Louis and when that league then partially merged with the NBA in 1976 they took the broadcast share.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/two-regu ... 01166.html

Shad Khan was never involved with the NBA to St. Louis. When Georgia Frontiere died he was second in line to buy the Rams but was blocked by Stan Kroenke

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/377 ... khan-fight

It was then St. Louis Blues owner Bill Laurie that tried to buy the Vancouver Grizzlies to bring them here but got blocked.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... le1036295/

The Silnas deal with the NBA prohibited a team from being in STL while it was in place. In an interview, Kahn talked about wanting to buy Grizzlies and move them here but was the aforementioned prevented it.

No it didn't. The broadcast share was their payment to vacate claims to St. Louis or any other market.

There was a very thin chance they could have sued, but it might have jeopardized their steadily increasing revenue stream.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostJul 19, 2024#4462024-07-19T00:05+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Jul 18, 2024
Again, the NBA would kill to have America’s wealthiest black man among its ownership. This is the only way it happens in StL.

Yes, we can beat Seattle. Hell, OKC beat Seattle. Memphis TN beat Vancouver, CA. What matters is the ownership group and the whether civic leadership is going to support it.
Seattle has a 3 year old building: we have a 30 year old one.

Seattle should have never lost the Sonics. If you feel that "OKC beat Seattle" you are wrong. The move of the Sonics was easily one of the worst justified team moves and really isn't too dissimilar than the Rams leaving St. Louis.

A big reason the Sonics left Seattle was they stood up to the owner and didn't gift him a new arena. Just the same way St. Louis didn't give the Hawks a new venue and let them go to Atlanta back in the 1960s.

In regards to the Grizzlies, they would probably still be in Vancouver if it wasn't for a series of mistakes and bad decisions coinciding with a historic low for the Canadian Dollar.

Dave Steward can (A) build a new arena or (B) renovate the existing one into the same caliber.

Don’t make excuses for global alpha cities losing their teams. If they really wanted them, they would still be there.

Again, the NBA is drooling for Dave Steward.

Personally, I fear Steward disinvested from the Blues to invest in his mausoleum or some disgusting conservative political movement

dweebe · PostJul 20, 2024#4472024-07-20T00:00+00:00

The Clippers unveiled their crazy new $2.0 billion arena today.

It also helps when your team owner is obscenely wealthy and a bit loony.

framer · PostJul 20, 2024#4482024-07-20T02:47+00:00

Well that sure ups the ante.

dweebe · PostJul 20, 2024#4492024-07-20T17:34+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Jul 20, 2024
Well that sure ups the ante.

Not everyone will realize it, but the over-the-topness of the Intuit Dome is to combat the stronghold the Lakers have on that market. Even with all of this stuff they still might not move the needle very much in Los Angeles.

PostJul 23, 2024#4502024-07-23T14:04+00:00

Looks like they're going to remove the parking crater around the United Center.

Just a reminder that the United and Enterprise Centers opened the exact same year.

Could NBA return to STL after nearly 60 years?

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