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Sarah K wrote:

quincunx wrote: ↑

Apr 20, 2024

Ugh

StlToday - Neighbors worry about congestion from proposed Kingshighway apartments in St. Louis

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 0661e.html

Kind of surprised to see the article quoting Jane Condellire. She lives in the county and inherited the house on Arco from her sister. She thinks the development will lower the value of the house.

Compared to an empty lot?

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There are a few people very against any development but the majority of people at the open house and those I have spoken to around the neighborhood support the project. 

A number of people would like to see more brick like Ronald McDonald or Metropolitan Flats. NorthPoint has been very receptive to feedback, so I'm hoping that gets incorporated. 

Definitely would like to see a more ambitious design/materials, though I wonder if the apartment buildings south of Manchester might not be the best example, given that developer's current financial straits, and the much higher interest rates everyone is dealing with today.

I found this quote to also be odd:

The one-way streets are fairly narrow

No, they are not narrow. They are quite wide for one-way streets, thus the complaints about people speeding down them. It is easy to look at the roads in person or on Google maps, and see that they are excessively wide. The developers even presented a slide measuring the width of the roads. A factual error that should be corrected IMO.

But the city-wide vote!
Also I worry about the negative health impacts of living by highways, though the onus should be on motordom to mitigate, but of course it won't be held accountable.

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Jul 17, 2024

Once NorthPoint gets under construction, the city should really take a look at Forrest Park and make a proposal to release a few of these underused corners that are never used because of the highway... and then open them up for development. 

You could fit a few pretty nice sized apartment complexes on this corner. And you can even use the sale to fund an amazing playground/amenity for the neighboring community and still have a ton of room for apartments. 

Wish we didn’t have an interstate with massive exchanges that’s for sure. Should have been made a boulevard from 170 or at start of Forest Park when they rebuilt 40. Blight on the park, the city and downtown.

Reminder that the highway is in the park, not its southern border. Oakland is.
The parkland on either side of DeBaliviere is an even better development spot. You could frame the History Museum nicely. But won't someone please think of the mansion dwellers!

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jul 17, 2024

Reminder that the highway is in the park, not its southern border. Oakland is.
The parkland on either side of DeBaliviere is an even better development spot. You could frame the History Museum nicely. But won't someone please think of the mansion dwellers!

I hate the footprint of 64 so much right through our gem of a park. And 44 in front of the arch and through soulard. Just horrible horrible urban division.

Your comment made me think of this years ago that I went and dug up: https://nextstl.com/2021/04/what-should ... d-lindell/

I’d love to continue adding density around the park. I would opt for north up debaliviere from the station to delmar and across delmar from the loop to the CWE first but yes I also see the potential in the history museum proposal.

As far as park space goes, I would like to see high rise residential development on the “problem” parks downtown by the soldiers memorial and prioritize making the gateway mall a top notch green space from soccer stadium all the way down to the arch

Yeah I'm not really enthused about concentrating residential development along a highway, I live in an apt building on a busy thoroughfare and that's bad enough. Don't much care about that "park" land being preserved but noise pollution is actually very harmful to human health. And before anyone says anything like theoretically sure a building could be soundproofed but 1) That's not common in new construction, costs more 2) You'd want your balcony or pool to be an actually pleasant place to hangout. 

How traffic noise hurts children's brains
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240621-how-traffic-noise-pollution-harms-childrens-health-and-development

Why don’t we get sound barrier walls in the city? The little white children in the burbs get them

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

Why don’t we get sound barrier walls in the city? The little white children in the burbs get them

Yes, because nobody cares about black children

flipz wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

Why don’t we get sound barrier walls in the city? The little white children in the burbs get them

Yes, because nobody cares about black children

I've been to meetings when i was at modot where one side of the street is screaming they'll sue if modot didn't put up soundwalls and the other side is screaming they'll sue if soundwalls are put up. 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

flipz wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jul 19, 2024

Why don’t we get sound barrier walls in the city? The little white children in the burbs get them

Yes, because nobody cares about black children

I've been to meetings when i was at modot where one side of the street is screaming they'll sue if modot didn't put up soundwalls and the other side is screaming they'll sue if soundwalls are put up. 

What is the argument against sound walls?

they're not all that effective, they're ugly, cause environmental issues etc.

There is another Park Central meeting Tuesday 7/23 at the Missouri Foundation for Health at 6:30 PM to discuss and possibly approve the development. The meeting materials, including updated renderings and variance requests, are here: FPSE Development Committee 7-23-24 meeting materials

If you have feedback and aren't able to attend the meeting, please send your feedback in to Park Central. Comments from the public really can change the tenor of discussion and affect approvals/rejections.

Why are they asking for a variance to exceed the parking max when they say they have 140 spaces for 140DUs?
Still unclear how someone arriving without a car accesses the building.

Looks like these are the pedestrian access points.

I saw those, primarily for egress during a fire. How does someone access the elevators?

The Board of Adjustment will consider variances at their Sep 25 meeting.