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PostJan 18, 2024#26

The WashU lot is necessary for the project to happen. It will be both buildings. Part of the agreement with WashU is that they have final say on design of that northern building, so design may differ than what is the final design of the Kingshighway building.

Still early in this process. They're planning multiple meetings for both neighbors and the review committee.

I will caution that this early discussion is not indicative of what's final. Things like incentives and variances are still under discussion. 

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PostJan 18, 2024#27

doellingd wrote:
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The WashU lot is necessary for the project to happen. It will be both buildings. Part of the agreement with WashU is that they have final say on design of that northern building, so design may differ than what is the final design of the Kingshighway building.

Still early in this process. They're planning multiple meetings for both neighbors and the review committee.

I will caution that this early discussion is not indicative of what's final. Things like incentives and variances are still under discussion. 
Thanks for the reply, exciting!  and good luck!

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PostJan 20, 2024#28

Zoning-only building permits applications submitted.

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PostJan 25, 2024#29

Community engagement meeting dates for the FPSE and Kings Oak neighborhoods have been set for NorthPoint Development's proposal along Kingshighway, and the interchange at 64.
  • Monday, January 29, 6:30 pm at 4254 Vista Ave
  • Tuesday, February 20, 6:45 pm at 4254 Vista Ave
  • Tuesday, February 27, 6:30 pm at 4512 Manchester (if needed)
  • Tuesday, March 26, 6:30 pm at 4512 Manchester
More details/info on the project's description can be found the FPSE Development Review Committee packet and at forestparksoutheast.com/northpoint-meetings
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PostJan 25, 2024#30

^ Nice.  It would be amazing if construction did get started Q3 of this year, but not sure how realistic that timeframe is (maybe it is, I just don't know).  But good to see some movement here, plus the bonus build at Kingshighway & 64.  Would really completely change the look and feel of this very visible spot.

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PostJan 25, 2024#31

Some of the info in that packet worth noting:  https://www.forestparksoutheast.com/wp- ... SE1_29.pdf

Some Highlights: 
Est. Investment:Almost $120 million 
Residential Buildings: 328 units 
Parking: 367Spaces 
Seeking Incentives

Costs for Entire Project 
 Acquisition: $5,764,000 
 Pre-development Soft Cost: $4,921,650 
 Construction Cost: $91,480,198 
 Total: $119,626,876 

 Financial incentives being sought with SLDC Timeline for Phase 1: 
 Site Control: Complete 
 Construction Start: Spring, 2024 (Demolition); Q3 2024 
 Construction Complete: Q3, 2026 
 Occupancy: January, 2026
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PostJan 25, 2024#32

We shouldn’t be dolling much in the way of incentives for development in the grove.

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PostJan 25, 2024#33

I wonder what kind of incentives they want, it says they're not seeking a tax abatement. Could the SLDC waive the sales tax on construction materials or something? 

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PostJan 25, 2024#34

Will they need a variance to have more than the max parking?

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PostJan 25, 2024#35

^There is a list of requested variances in the PDF and that is one of them. ✌

Also, here's the incentives note in there: "She also noted that some of the unit prices increased from the initial proposal and that now potential incentives may be sought. A Barzantny noted that he is hopeful that interest rates will go down and if they do, he will not request tax abatement, but if they stay at the same level, he will be seeking incentives through SLDC. "

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PostJan 25, 2024#36

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^There is a list of requested variances in the PDF and that is one of them. ✌

Also, here's the incentives note in there: "She also noted that some of the unit prices increased from the initial proposal and that now potential incentives may be sought. A Barzantny noted that he is hopeful that interest rates will go down and if they do, he will not request tax abatement, but if they stay at the same level, he will be seeking incentives through SLDC. "
That's for Austin's Manchester project, FWIW. 

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PostJan 25, 2024#37

doellingd wrote:
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pattimagee wrote:
Jan 25, 2024
^There is a list of requested variances in the PDF and that is one of them. ✌

Also, here's the incentives note in there: "She also noted that some of the unit prices increased from the initial proposal and that now potential incentives may be sought. A Barzantny noted that he is hopeful that interest rates will go down and if they do, he will not request tax abatement, but if they stay at the same level, he will be seeking incentives through SLDC. "
That's for Austin's Manchester project, FWIW. 
Ahhh whoops, thanks for the clarification

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PostJan 25, 2024#38

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We shouldn’t be dolling much in the way of incentives for development in the grove.
I think the reality is that St. Louis is not a strong market and sizable projects need to consider tax abatements to be viable. FPSE needs to add more housing in order to maintain its naturally occurring affordable housing and prevent displacement. We don't want to become like Tower Grove South or Botanical that have only decreased the amount of available housing, causing the rents to skyrocket and the neighborhoods to become less accessible. 

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PostJan 25, 2024#39

Sarah K wrote:
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JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Jan 25, 2024
We shouldn’t be dolling much in the way of incentives for development in the grove.
I think the reality is that St. Louis is not a strong market and sizable projects need to consider tax abatements to be viable. FPSE needs to add more housing in order to maintain its naturally occurring affordable housing and prevent displacement. We don't want to become like Tower Grove South or Botanical that have only decreased the amount of available housing, causing the rents to skyrocket and the neighborhoods to become less accessible. 
^ i dont think thats true.   STL still needs more units, its not like nashville that got totally overbuilt and now has 37,000 units coming online and not as much demand 

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PostJan 25, 2024#40

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Sarah K wrote:
Jan 25, 2024
JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Jan 25, 2024
We shouldn’t be dolling much in the way of incentives for development in the grove.
I think the reality is that St. Louis is not a strong market and sizable projects need to consider tax abatements to be viable. FPSE needs to add more housing in order to maintain its naturally occurring affordable housing and prevent displacement. We don't want to become like Tower Grove South or Botanical that have only decreased the amount of available housing, causing the rents to skyrocket and the neighborhoods to become less accessible. 
^ i dont think thats true.   STL still needs more units, its not like nashville that got totally overbuilt and now has 37,000 units coming online and not as much demand 
I think we're saying the same thing? 

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PostJan 25, 2024#41

Yes and no, I think it’s a strong market in terms of demand, especially in the city and that neighborhood too but the numbers side is hard to make work without incentives because getting this built isn’t all too different from getting it built in Chicago when it comes to development cost but you aren’t getting $3+ sq rents here like you can in Chicago

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PostJan 26, 2024#42

NextSTL - NorthPoint presents proposal for Kingshighway in FPSE, starts engagement process

https://nextstl.com/2024/01/northpoint- ... t-process/

PostJan 26, 2024#43

Can anyone figure out how someone on foot or bike can access the building?

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PostJan 27, 2024#44

I hope they tone down the multi-media and multi-color mess, but at least there is no clock tower! Really excited for development there regardless.


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PostJan 27, 2024#45

quincunx wrote:
Jan 26, 2024
Can anyone figure out how someone on foot or bike can access the building?
Looking at the elevations, I bet the southwest corner (Kingshighway and Oakland).

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PostJan 27, 2024#46

Unless there's a ramp in the leasing office up to the second floor, it doesn't make sense.

PostJan 27, 2024#47

Demo permit apps submitted for the Kingshighway buildings.

PostFeb 12, 2024#48

A meeting Saturday at 1 pm, not organized by FPSE NA, the Ald, or the developer.

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PostFeb 12, 2024#49

That meeting has sh+tshow written all over it

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PostFeb 12, 2024#50

Oh - now I understand what this meeting invite it... lol, disregard my previous comment

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