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PostMar 18, 2022#1

Couldn't find a dedicated thread for development in this area so here we go. Just had a question for those in the know, is Kosciusko zoned in such a way that developers could build mixed use or residential in this neighborhood?

The proximity to Soulard makes me think developing this neighborhood would be a slam dunk. Perfect opportunity for townhomes and 5 over 1s. The opportunity of this area is wasted on warehouses, light industry, and truck yards.

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PostMar 18, 2022#2

St Louis Zoning Map

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ng-map.cfm

Looks like it's mainly K Unrestricted District with some J Industrial District, and G Local Commercial and Office District. It can be changed.

PostMar 18, 2022#3

Like for Steelcote phase 4 they changed it from K and a little J to H.

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PostMar 18, 2022#4

Starting on 7th and incrementally redeveloping east to the Mississippi would be one of the best things STL could do for future growth imo. It sucks that neighborhood was torn down for industrial uses period but I think everything happening in midtown proves it can be taken back.

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PostMar 18, 2022#5

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Starting on 7th and incrementally redeveloping east to the Mississippi would be one of the best things STL could do for future growth imo. It sucks that neighborhood was torn down for industrial uses period but I think everything happening in midtown proves it can be taken back.
S Broadway from Russell north to Miller or Marion is already a nice pedestrian-scaled street, it would be nice to develop it into an anchor for a livable neighborhood on that side of 7th street

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PostMar 18, 2022#6

Good reference article

https://www.stlmag.com/history/architec ... kosciusko/

How we wiped out Kosciusko, which could have been another Soulard
Another St. Louis neighborhood lost to urban renewal in the 1960s


The widescale destruction of the African-American neighborhood of Mill Creek has garnered more attention the last couple decades, as it should. But a lesser known, majority-white neighborhood, Kosciusko, sandwiched between Seventh Street and the stretch of river south of the MacArthur Bridge, also saw itself annihilated by urban renewal in the 1960s. The same arguments city leaders used against African Americans in Mill Creek were turned against the poor white residents and their aging houses and apartment buildings in Kosciusko: surely they would live better and more upright and respectable lives if they moved into new Modernist public housing to the west? They would thus remove themselves from the vice-laden, soul-crushing rows of 19th-century houses crowding the riverfront. In the neighborhood’s place would rise a purely industrial and commercial district, ripe for investment.

But—and if you’ve been reading my previous columns, this will not surprise you—photographs and records of the Kosciusko neighborhood reveals a culturally rich and thriving community that welcomed wave after wave of immigrants to St. Louis. They lived in close proximity to the industries and docks along the river and often found work there. The area takes its name from Kosciusko Street, honoring Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kościuszko, a Polish patriot who famously fought in the American Revolution before returning and unsuccessfully struggling to maintain his own country’s independence in the face of Prussian, Russian and Austrian imperialism. Already in 1875, Compton and Dry’s Pictorial St. Louis shows a bustling community abuzz with various industries, some cleaner than others, alongside residential districts. Anheuser-Busch’s cooper (barrel) shop was located in the neighborhood at one point, for example.

By the 1940s, the neighborhood was on the verge of demolition. In photographs by famous dentist and preservationist William Swekosky, it looks a lot like the Lower East Side of Manhattan. The street wall of stores along South Broadway, forming the commercial district of the neighborhood, would be the envy of any urban planner today. Sure, they looked a little rough around the edges, but so did the Delmar Loop, Manchester in Maplewood, or Cherokee Street in the 1970s. The names on the signs and other records reveal a diverse immigrant community of Eastern European Jews, Croats, and other ethnic groups operating businesses along the artery. (Incidentally, a careful observer will realize the wide trafficway that cuts past Soulard Market is actually Seventh Boulevard, and Broadway is actually a block east at that point in Kosciusko.)

Of course, there were churches, and one of note was Our Lady of Czestochowa, a small Polish Roman Catholic parish church at the northeast corner of Fourth and Victor streets. It was originally built by German Lutherans as a school in 1867, reflecting the large number of Protestants emigrating from the region of Saxony. As the decades passed, Germans moved into the middle class, and they also moved westward, beyond Jefferson into neighborhoods such as Dutchtown. Eastern European immigrants moved in, and in 1907, the Roman Catholic Church bought the building from a group of Polish Catholics who had purchased it from the German Lutherans the year before. The second floor was wide open and functioned as the sanctuary, while a hallway on the first floor bisected two classrooms. A rectory was built next door; it was still standing when the parish was closed. Swekosky photographed the complex—all its members had moved west prior to “slum clearance”—prior to demolition.

Nearby, at the northeast corner of Third and Convent, was the John J. Roe & Co. pork packing plant, wrecked in 1954. Despite the fame of National City’s massive slaughterhouses, the Roe plant did a good business of its own. The first buildings were erected here in 1859, and this area, Block 48, was one of the most infamous in the city during the 19th century, as it flooded with water from the actual Mill Creek, sending porcine offal and other waste into neighboring streets. (Thanks to the famous brewers Ezra English and Isaac McHose and others, the City finally acted on renovating and channeling Mill Creek through the area to prevent the flooding that jeopardized their nearby investments.)

John J. Roe had gone into the packing business at just the right time, as the Civil War required huge amounts of food for Union soldiers billeted in St. Louis. German shepherd dogs helped usher the hogs up Gravois Avenue from the countryside to the packing plan; we’ll omit the details of the hogs’ slaughter, which were inhumane to say the least. The sounds could be heard throughout the neighborhood, according to records of the time. There is also an unverified story of “Pigsfoot Alley” in St. Louis, associated with the packing plant. While Armour might have utilized every part of the hog except the squeal, Roe discarded pigs’ feet in the alley behind the packing plant, allowing anyone interested to pick them up for free.

There was also a sophisticated side to Kosciusko, best seen in many of its handsome private residences. The George W. Sherrick House, for example, was an extremely rare (and now forever lost) example of Greek Revival architecture expressed in a row house structure. Greek Revival is rare in St. Louis, and it was usually reserved for large country homes; Sherrick’s house, built in 1850 at 2618 South Seventh Street, features square pillars holding up a two-story porch. The second floor of the porch still retained its ornamental iron railings when photographed in the 1940s; they are almost certainly lost. The Trudeau and Steinkauler houses were also examples of Greek Revival vernacular in the neighborhood; they were demolished as well.
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At the Phoenix Musical Club, built in 1899 at 1712 South Third Street, members could enjoy playing instruments, eating, and drinking. Founded in 1887, it had 40 members and a board of directors drawn from the German community. It would be interesting to know how much serious music playing occurred, relative to the eating and drinking. Slowly, Monsanto began to buy up the surrounding block, and eventually, the Club sold out the last parcel it owned in 1962.

Finally, the People’s Savings Institution Bank Building, erected in 1857 at Park and Broadway, perhaps best shows just what stunning architecture was lost in the clearance of the land south of downtown. This stately edifice shows a style of building in St. Louis that is rare or nonexistent. This was where the men and women who built the city before the Civil War worked and made transactions in the booming years of the 1840s and 50s. Its tragic loss is replaced with nothing of value today—except a curved right turn lane that allows drivers to swing around onto Broadway at high speeds without having to worry about pesky pedestrians or curbs getting in their way.
Which of course leads to the inevitable question asked last week: was the wholesale clearance of Kosciusko a net gain for St. Louis? Unequivocally, undeniably, no. From the pages of the Globe-Democrat in the 1960s, fascinating and depressing statistics emerge. An August 28, 1960, article reports the usual party line from city officials: Residents are happy to move out, there is all sorts of talk of investment, etc. We’ve all heard that before.

But then, in an October 23, 1963, column by Allan Merritt, the startling truth of the success of the massive clearance of huge swaths of St. Louis is laid bare in stark numbers. Merritt reports that city officials had originally forecast $100,000,000 in new investment in Kosciusko—but four years in, and three years before its scheduled completion, the development had only attracted $1.6 million, 1.6 percent of the projected investment. Even worse, not a single new company had moved in where 3,000 “slum dwellings” had been demolished. Driving around Kosciusko today, it is obvious that city leaders did not somehow find the remaining 98.4 percent in those last three years before completion—or in the next half-century. We are left to wonder what might have happened if the government had trusted regular St. Louisans to rebuild the neighborhood themselves.
By the way, that quote at the beginning of this article was not actually describing living conditions in Kosciusko in the 1960s, but rather in Soulard. One must always remember that what is now one of the most treasured neighborhoods in St. Louis was once targeted for complete annihilation, just like its neighbor to the east. But despite being maligned as a “slum,” Soulard now commands some of the highest real estate prices in South St. Louis, and it is one of the richest neighborhood communities. Given half a chance, Kosciusko might have been right there next to Soulard, with the same charming rows of beautiful brick houses and bustling stores.

Instead, it was “renewed.”

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Some top pics from the article: but there are others.

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PostSep 07, 2023#8

I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.

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PostSep 07, 2023#9

Definitely agree, but there is also active industry jobs there that I would hate to lose to St. Charles. Feel the same about the steelcote square stuff. I Hope we could relocate most of those jobs in the city should those areas redevelop.


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PostSep 07, 2023#10

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I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.
^ With the massive Gateway South development emerging, I totally agree that Kosciusko has tons of potential to become a new, hot neighborhood in St. Louis. 

It could certainly help connect Soulard and south city with downtown and the Arch. 

I personally hope that there will be a architectural juxtaposition from Soulard. I'd love to see lots of modern and funky designs in Kosciusko.

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PostSep 08, 2023#11

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.
Perhaps in the long-term, but for planning for growth I'd focus on the core Downtown-Grand Center area rather than trying to establish new, competitive areas of residential/multi-family density.   

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PostSep 08, 2023#12

^Agreed.

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PostSep 08, 2023#13

In the short term I would like to see a hotel or two built in Kosciusko, right across 7th. Nothing crazy, just a Hampton Inn or Tru, something like that. Soulard has plenty of AirBnBs but who knows how long those will be viable/legal. The demand is definitely there most of the year. 

South City really needs more hotels. It's shocking that there aren't ANY south of 44 besides that little bunch on Hampton.

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PostSep 08, 2023#14

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Sep 08, 2023
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sep 07, 2023
I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.
Perhaps in the long-term, but for planning for growth I'd focus on the core Downtown-Grand Center area rather than trying to establish new, competitive areas of residential/multi-family density.   
While I generally agree, I do think one of the things holding downtown back is the barrier between it and neighborhoods south, developing a transition (which includes the northwest corner of Kosciusko) would benefit downtown

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PostSep 08, 2023#15

RockChalkSTL wrote:
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GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sep 07, 2023
I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.
^ With the massive Gateway South development emerging, I totally agree that Kosciusko has tons of potential to become a new, hot neighborhood in St. Louis. 

It could certainly help connect Soulard and south city with downtown and the Arch. 

I personally hope that there will be a architectural juxtaposition from Soulard. I'd love to see lots of modern and funky designs in Kosciusko.
This is all fantasy but I always thought Kosciusko would be good for some sports stadium.  The entire area is already 75% demoed and clear.

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PostSep 08, 2023#16

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GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sep 07, 2023
I hope that is the case. Kosciusko is screaming for dozens of 5/1s to be built. With proximity to downtown and Soulard, it may be the neighborhood with the greatest unrealized potential. 20,000 people could reasonably live there.
^ With the massive Gateway South development emerging, I totally agree that Kosciusko has tons of potential to become a new, hot neighborhood in St. Louis. 

It could certainly help connect Soulard and south city with downtown and the Arch. 

I personally hope that there will be a architectural juxtaposition from Soulard. I'd love to see lots of modern and funky designs in Kosciusko.
This is all fantasy but I always thought Kosciusko would be good for some sports stadium.  The entire area is already 75% demoed and clear.
That's what I've been saying. That Kosciusko would be a great place if we ever miracled our way back to the NFL or an NBA team in the 2030's.
  • Road diet Broadway down to 2 vehicle lanes plus dedicated bike and bus lanes.
  • Build the new stadium/arena right up against the trimmed down Broadway.
  • Leave space behind for parking
  • Infill with residential. 
  • Existing Soulard bars provide the entertainment/drinking.

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PostSep 08, 2023#17

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That's what I've been saying. That Kosciusko would be a great place if we ever miracled our way back to the NFL or an NBA team in the 2030's.
  • Road diet Broadway down to 2 vehicle lanes plus dedicated bike and bus lanes.
  • Build the new stadium/arena right up against the trimmed down Broadway.
  • Leave space behind for parking
  • Infill with residential. 
  • Existing Soulard bars provide the entertainment/drinking.
Personally i hate this idea.

If we built a new arena it should house Hockey and Basketball.  My preferred location in the site of the current downtown post office.  Incorporate the head house into the arena design.  Build new Post office sorting facility elsewhere, Possibly in Kosciusko.

If we build a new Football arena it should be outside downtown.  Adjacent the metro link somewhere but otherwise suburban.  A dozen events a year is not worth the price in terms of infrastructure.  My first instinct is the SE corner of where I70 meets I170, but that's pretty close to the lambert approach path so not sure if that would be an issue.

Broadway in Kosciusko is urban and granular and i think infill is the way to go.  A hotel or two as mentioned above or some midrise infill makes a lot of sense.  Stadiums... no thanks.

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PostSep 08, 2023#18

I think an issue with the stadium in Kosciusko is lack of transpo/transit access.  A single street (Broadway) is about the only way in/out.

The current stadiums, including the Dome, all have multiple access points to get in/out.   well, more access points than a Kosciusko would have. No metro access in Kosciusko as well.

Anyway, fun thought exercise. 

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PostSep 08, 2023#19

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dweebe wrote:
Sep 08, 2023
That's what I've been saying. That Kosciusko would be a great place if we ever miracled our way back to the NFL or an NBA team in the 2030's.
  • Road diet Broadway down to 2 vehicle lanes plus dedicated bike and bus lanes.
  • Build the new stadium/arena right up against the trimmed down Broadway.
  • Leave space behind for parking
  • Infill with residential. 
  • Existing Soulard bars provide the entertainment/drinking.
Personally i hate this idea.

If we built a new arena it should house Hockey and Basketball.  My preferred location in the site of the current downtown post office.  Incorporate the head house into the arena design.  Build new Post office sorting facility elsewhere, Possibly in Kosciusko.

If we build a new Football arena it should be outside downtown.  Adjacent the metro link somewhere but otherwise suburban.  A dozen events a year is not worth the price in terms of infrastructure.  My first instinct is the SE corner of where I70 meets I170, but that's pretty close to the lambert approach path so not sure if that would be an issue.

Broadway in Kosciusko is urban and granular and i think infill is the way to go.  A hotel or two as mentioned above or some midrise infill makes a lot of sense.  Stadiums... no thanks.
Fair point. I was trying to think what could spur an evolution of Kosciusko back to something residential/mix. Seeing the area around Nationals Park/Audi field in DC recently is what brought it back to mind.

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PostSep 08, 2023#20

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dweebe wrote:
Sep 08, 2023
That's what I've been saying. That Kosciusko would be a great place if we ever miracled our way back to the NFL or an NBA team in the 2030's.
  • Road diet Broadway down to 2 vehicle lanes plus dedicated bike and bus lanes.
  • Build the new stadium/arena right up against the trimmed down Broadway.
  • Leave space behind for parking
  • Infill with residential. 
  • Existing Soulard bars provide the entertainment/drinking.
Personally i hate this idea.

If we built a new arena it should house Hockey and Basketball.  My preferred location in the site of the current downtown post office.  Incorporate the head house into the arena design.  Build new Post office sorting facility elsewhere, Possibly in Kosciusko.

If we build a new Football arena it should be outside downtown.  Adjacent the metro link somewhere but otherwise suburban.  A dozen events a year is not worth the price in terms of infrastructure.  My first instinct is the SE corner of where I70 meets I170, but that's pretty close to the lambert approach path so not sure if that would be an issue.

Broadway in Kosciusko is urban and granular and i think infill is the way to go.  A hotel or two as mentioned above or some midrise infill makes a lot of sense.  Stadiums... no thanks.
I like the Kosciusko idea. I think you could make the parking and traffic flow work. If you could somehow move the train yards and develop a whole mixed use riverfront neighborhood, you would have a transformative project.

While we’re in La La land, I’ve been thinking that the old Sportsman’s Park would be a great spot for a football stadium. Just smacking it right in the middle of the neighborhood a la Lambeau Field would be awesome. In 10-20 years it could be apart of a resurgent North City and it probably wouldn’t be too hard to build an extension of the N/S metrolink to the stadium.


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PostSep 10, 2023#21

If the NFL comes back, the East Riverfront is my ideal landing spot. Directly north of the MLK bridge

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PostSep 10, 2023#22

Line the streets with spacious and basic single family and 2 family walkups with a nice stoop and the people will come. Forget about all these glitzed out apartment complexes. Give people a chance to actually have something.

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PostSep 12, 2023#23

Once N/S is going I could easily see a trolley line down Broadway being a good next investment. If you can get Madison County onboard, I'd love to see a line that goes from Jefferson through Soulard, up Broadway to connect with Metrolink downtown, and across the McKinley to end at a station between Madison and Granite City. Anyway, that's probably more of a fantasy even than an NFL team.

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PostSep 12, 2023#24

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In the short term I would like to see a hotel or two built in Kosciusko, right across 7th. Nothing crazy, just a Hampton Inn or Tru, something like that. Soulard has plenty of AirBnBs but who knows how long those will be viable/legal. The demand is definitely there most of the year. 

South City really needs more hotels. It's shocking that there aren't ANY south of 44 besides that little bunch on Hampton.
I know I've mentioned this on the Soulard thread but a couple years back (maybe 2019 or early 2020) a developer wanted to turn the old St. Joseph Croatian Church School at 12th and Ann into a boutique hotel. The church refused to sell because they were worried about parking. I heard rumors that the developer was then looking at properties just east of 7th--however nothing (as of yet) has come of it so I'm not sure how accurate that rumor was. 

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symphonicpoet wrote:
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Once N/S is going I could easily see a trolley line down Broadway being a good next investment. If you can get Madison County onboard, I'd love to see a line that goes from Jefferson through Soulard, up Broadway to connect with Metrolink downtown, and across the McKinley to end at a station between Madison and Granite City. Anyway, that's probably more of a fantasy even than an NFL team.
don't call it a trolley and it might have a chance... :)

Phase 1 Cherokee to Cass.  Getting it to the McKinley Bridge and across would require something spectacular i think.  With the New NS metrolink following Jefferson I'd be tempted to say the concept would better serve Old North.  So turn west at O'Fallon to 13the up to Florissant Ave.

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