Kosciusko

Chris Stritzel · PostSep 13, 2023#262023-09-13T20:51+00:00

I always thought about using the riverfront elevated rail lines as a connector. Start the line on Cass at Jefferson and head east to near the Cotton Belt Building. Link the near north riverfront to Laclede’s landing, the Arch, Chouteau’s Landing (Gateway South) and then create a new elevated line that merges into a new median on Broadway near Park Avenue. Run down 7th/Broadway to Chippewa where it would meet up with the North-South line.

That’s a fantasy of course, but it would work if ever pursued. Boosts the viability of redeveloping Kosciusko into a mixed-use neighborhood again and boosting Soulard. Connects to far more attractions and points of interest than the North-South line with tons of room to grow.

framer · PostSep 14, 2023#272023-09-14T02:57+00:00

Serious question: How do you pronounce "Kosciusko"?

beer city · PostSep 14, 2023#282023-09-14T03:37+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Sep 14, 2023
Serious question: How do you pronounce "Kosciusko"?

Here is the Australian pronunciation

Trololzilla · PostSep 14, 2023#292023-09-14T09:24+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Sep 14, 2023
Serious question: How do you pronounce "Kosciusko"?

I've always thought it was "Ko-shoes-ko".

framer · PostSep 14, 2023#302023-09-14T13:07+00:00

I've always said "koos-kee-o", although I realize that's obviously wrong. For whatever reason, that's how it always comes out for me.

SouthCityJR · PostSep 14, 2023#312023-09-14T17:48+00:00

While we’re on the StL pronunciation topic, how do you pronounce Gratiot?

Chris Stritzel · PostSep 14, 2023#322023-09-14T18:50+00:00

SouthCityJR wrote: ↑
Sep 14, 2023
While we’re on the StL pronunciation topic, how do you pronounce Gratiot?

Graaa-sh*t

gone corporate · PostSep 14, 2023#332023-09-14T19:31+00:00

Kosciusko: "kah-su-koh"

Gratiot: "gra-twah"

Main points: I'm in favor of building all along South 7th across from Soulard. Fill up all those excessive parking lots with 5/2 residentials. Also, increase retail shopping along South Broadway and further the area for more organized labor HQs. Meanwhile, the areas closer to the rail yards should be industrial as can be; I'd love to see more warehousing and manufacturing in there. The closer you get to the river, and the closer you get to Anheuser-Busch, the less attractive the area gets for residential developments. Also, yes, I'd love to see railed transit up and down 7th Street to Broadway into Downtown, but I'm not holding my breath on that for the foreseeable future. The big variables include the future of Yellow Corporation's operations near the brewery and what exactly will happen with the existing NGA Western HQ at Arsenal.

symphonicpoet · PostSep 15, 2023#342023-09-15T05:19+00:00

Kah-shee-you-sko. (Probably wrong. I don't think I've ever once heard it said.)

Grah-shut. (That I've heard plenty of times. Particularly in reference to the railroad interlocking tower that used to famously occupy the corner of Gratiot and Broadway. So that one I'm pretty comfortable with.)

m2tbone · PostSep 15, 2023#352023-09-15T14:44+00:00

I always assumed it was just pronounced Kose-key-use-co with four syllables, but that was just my own guess.

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RockChalkSTL · PostSep 15, 2023#362023-09-15T14:46+00:00

Ko-shoe-sko is how I've heard several people say it.

kipfilet · PostSep 15, 2023#372023-09-15T15:07+00:00

That reminds me of when I first moved to STL, pronounced Gravois (Grrah-vwah) and Chouteau (Shoe-toe) as they are pronounced in French and nobody understood what I was talking about.

rbb · PostSep 15, 2023#382023-09-15T16:29+00:00

So in St. Louis I believe Ko-shoo-sko is traditional. But as to the real native Polish pronunciation, it's... complicated:

https://culture.pl/en/article/what-is-t ... -there-one

Long story short, the STL pronunciation is likely close-ish, but how it was originally pronounced isn't 100% clear.

-RBB

johnnyqnola · PostSep 16, 2023#392023-09-16T15:00+00:00

If your STL roots run deep, it's kuh-Shoes-koh and Grash-it.

stldotage · Post1:05 PM - Apr 13#402026-04-13T13:05+00:00

Another "just for fun" AI exercise -- what if we urban renewed urban renewal like Kosciusko? Welcome to Kosciusko Island (lol):

Before:

After:

GoHarvOrGoHome · Post3:10 PM - Apr 13#412026-04-13T15:10+00:00

The train lines would like to have a word with you lol

In all seriousness, Koscuisko should be transitioning to housing over the long term. It's location is simply too good being next to Soulard and with easy access to Downtown. The farmers market could be the centerpiece of the greater district. It's one of the few places in the city that's large enough for somebody with vision to really create something cool while having a sustainable level of demand. I would also be fine with a sea of 5 over 1s.

stldotage · Post4:03 PM - Apr 13#422026-04-13T16:03+00:00

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑
3:10 PM - Apr 13
The train lines would like to have a word with you lol

In all seriousness, Koscuisko should be transitioning to housing over the long term. It's location is simply too good being next to Soulard and with easy access to Downtown. The farmers market could be the centerpiece of the greater district. It's one of the few places in the city that's large enough for somebody with vision to really create something cool while having a sustainable level of demand. I would also be fine with a sea of 5 over 1s.

Yeah I definitely failed to have it be pragmatic and keep in the rail lines (and floodwall) lol. But the canal concept would be interesting.

And yeah, I agree. A more sane (but still ambitious) approach would be something like this:

Kosciusko

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