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PostAug 07, 2023#776

“The future of all of these smaller municipalities is consolidation. It’s become so complex and expensive to run a small municipality.”
Say it louder!

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PostAug 07, 2023#777

The reason you have so many small munis is that black county resident don’t trust the county admin (not just this one but this goes back decades) and it’s why majority of the munis are in north county and south county has none, it’s just unincorporated areas

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PostAug 07, 2023#778

That doesn’t really explain the cause though, right? When the smaller munis were initially created on the North Side of the County, the population demographics more closer resembled South County.

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PostAug 07, 2023#779

The irony is that many of them were created to keep Black people out. And now they're left holding the bag of a gov't structure and land use pattern that is severely ham-strung.

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PostAug 08, 2023#780

Some of them just don’t make sense.

When I looked up Glen Echo Park it is basically a neighborhood with 2 streets. The idea that that ever needed to be incorporated was silly. If it wanted to be a private gated community, then whatever, but to completely make it its own town……

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PostAug 08, 2023#781

I do think the dominoes are starting to fall. People have finally realized that the current structure just isn't smart . . . or sustainable. 

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PostAug 08, 2023#782

I hope you're right, though I thought the same thing after #Ferguson and capping the portion of muni revenues that could come from fines and fees. A few PDs combined into the North County Police Coop, but there are still too many PDs. Vinita Terrace merged into Vinita Park. There's still way too many muni courts. Not much progress.
Even getting to fewer than 80 munis by 2030 sounds unlikely.

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PostAug 09, 2023#783

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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The reason you have so many small munis is that black county resident don’t trust the county admin (not just this one but this goes back decades) and it’s why majority of the munis are in north county and south county has none, it’s just unincorporated areas
The fragmentation in North County is not a result of black North County residents distrust of government.  That is an ignorant statement and misgeneralization / stereotype of an entire group of people.  I'm not certain but I do believe a majority of the small municipalities that you reference were predominately white when they incorporated.   

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PostAug 09, 2023#784

North County neighbors Glen Echo Park, Normandy, OK merger by wide margins
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... on-merging

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PostAug 09, 2023#785

STLAPTS wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
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The reason you have so many small munis is that black county resident don’t trust the county admin (not just this one but this goes back decades) and it’s why majority of the munis are in north county and south county has none, it’s just unincorporated areas
The fragmentation in North County is not a result of black North County residents distrust of government.  That is an ignorant statement and misgeneralization / stereotype of an entire group of people.  I'm not certain but I do believe a majority of the small municipalities that you reference were predominately white when they incorporated.   
The origin of these minicipalities predates majority-minority NoCo, but I think their continued existence owes something to local residents' appreciation for personally knowing their town councilpersons. I don't think its a phenomenon that specific to black people but obviously in the context of North County that's who we're talking about.

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PostAug 09, 2023#786

STLAPTS wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
Aug 07, 2023
The reason you have so many small munis is that black county resident don’t trust the county admin (not just this one but this goes back decades) and it’s why majority of the munis are in north county and south county has none, it’s just unincorporated areas
The fragmentation in North County is not a result of black North County residents distrust of government.  That is an ignorant statement and misgeneralization / stereotype of an entire group of people.  I'm not certain but I do believe a majority of the small municipalities that you reference were predominately white when they incorporated.   
I’m not saying it’s how they started, I’m saying why they’re still in place.   Same reason you have ward capital in the city and the resistance of north city alders to ward reduction and the effort to over then the 2012 vote

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PostAug 09, 2023#787

The decision will reduce St. Louis County to 87 municipalities and mark another move toward consolidation. Glen Echo Park will join a list of 14 other municipalities in the county that have either merged with neighbors or disincorporated in the last six decades.
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Normandy Mayor Mark Beckmann said he will look for more consolidation in the future.
Start with the other 23 municipalities that are part of the 24:1 program…

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

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PostAug 09, 2023#788

Glad to hear Normandy mayor says they will continue to look for further consolidation.  Norwood Court, Pasadena Hills and Bellerive Acres are tiny neighbors of the same vein.  

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PostAug 17, 2023#789

StlToday - Fox2 cameraman breaks leg, needs surgery after he's hit by Hillsdale village vehicle

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... fdeba.html

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PostAug 18, 2023#790

Pair of lawsuits seek to stop Manchester annexation of St. Louis County territory
St. Louis County is suing to stop a question from appearing on November ballots asking if some unincorporated county residents should be annexed into the city of Manchester.
And in a separate lawsuit, a resident of unincorporated St. Louis County is suing Manchester to stop the proposal.
The county filed suit Friday against the St. Louis County Boundary Commission and its members. The commission is an independent 11-member panel set up by state statute to review impacts of proposed boundary changes.


Manchester asked the commission in May 2022 to add an unincorporated area of roughly 6,500 residents. Earlier this year, the commission approved putting the annexation question to a vote, set to appear on the Nov. 7 ballot.

The county argued in its suit that the commission shouldn't have approved the boundary change because of a provision in state law. The law says a boundary change must "be in the best interest" of the municipality and the unincorporated territory. The commission failed to consider how the plan would impact residents nearby, and on county residents as a whole, the county claimed.

County Executive Sam Page has opposed the plan, saying it would create "islands" of unincorporated areas that would be difficult to police. Page also said it could cost residents more in sales and property taxes.

Manchester Mayor Mike Clement has said those costs would be offset by a property tax rebate and savings in monthly trash pickup fees. He also said municipal government provides more accessibility and responsiveness, including from police.
Clement couldn't immediately be reached for comment Friday.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/pair-of-lawsuits-seek-to-stop-manchester-annexation-of-st-louis-county-territory/article_3df3b4d4-3df9-11ee-8a72-73c933cebbf7.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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PostAug 28, 2023#791

Stltoday - No plans to copy Glen Echo Park, leaders of 3 other St. Louis County tiny towns say

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 74cf9.html

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PostAug 28, 2023#792

Seems like someone at the state with an interest in forcing consolidation could focus on restricting public to public contracts.

Aren’t the vendors (other municipalities) subsidizing a failed government by playing along?

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PostSep 05, 2023#793

StlToday - Black Jack fire chief says he was fired for questioning trips, expensive insurance plan

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 7b3d1.html

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PostOct 02, 2023#794

Wellston wants St. Louis County land. And it's blocking redevelopment to get it.
St. Louis County has tried for years to jump-start development in Wellston, one of the poorest cities in the region.
It has invested millions cleaning up and demolishing shuttered factories and abandoned homes. It rehabbed an old industrial building as a job training center. It helped start a new affordable housing development.
But Wellston officials are refusing to sign off on the county’s next move.
Officials want to start finding developers and new owners for some of the more than 100 Wellston properties owned by a county development arm.
But Wellston’s mayor, Nate Griffin, said his city hasn’t seen much progress in the 20-plus years since its last agreement with the county development office.

The county, Griffin said, used the now expired agreement to “dominate our community and dominate our land.” Rodney Crim, CEO of the St. Louis Economic Development Partnership, which leads the county’s efforts in Wellston, disagrees. “We are totally invested in Wellston, and we want to see that investment continue,” Crim said in an interview Friday.
But the St. Louis County Land Clearance for Redevelopment Authority, which Crim’s office manages, can’t do anything with the real estate it owns in the inner ring suburb.

A sale of some of its land, to the Normandy School District for a new school bus depot as part of a renovation of the Normandy High campus, has been held up for almost two years.
State statute requires a redevelopment plan for the LCRA to operate in Wellston. The old agreement expired in 2017.

After waiting more than a year for Wellston to sign off on the new agreement, the LCRA in June approved the new Empower Wellston community plan, completed by firm PGAV nearly two years ago.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/business/development/wellston-wants-st-louis-county-land-and-its-blocking-redevelopment-to-get-it/article_5f68e78a-5eea-11ee-a3dd-075935aad077.html

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PostOct 02, 2023#795

So is it a 'how are we supposed to get developer kickbacks if the county owns the process?' kind of situation, or a 'we would like to build a new sewage processing facility here' kind of situation.

Admittedly the city of Wellston SHOULD be part of the process of approving new developments there.  Likewise it seems like a bad idea that they would run the show themselves with no oversite.  In the end they should be able to articulate what about the deal is unacceptable, and why they can't come to terms.

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PostOct 30, 2023#796

Manchester and St. Louis County spend thousands fighting over a slice of land
 Two St. Louis County elected officials have gone head to head for more than a year over the size of their jurisdictions — spending thousands of taxpayer dollars and hours of employee time trying to sway voters.
At issue is a ballot measure that, if it passes next week, would allow the city of Manchester to annex a part of unincorporated St. Louis County of roughly 6,500 residents, two schools, a county park and several businesses.
Manchester Mayor Mike Clement wants the land. County Executive Sam Page doesn’t want to let it go.

Page said residents in the area enjoy lower tax rates and better services from the county. “The folks who live here are awake,” Page said. “They’re paying attention, and they know what’s at stake.”

Clement said residents would gain by joining a smaller, more responsive government. “It’s very simple,” he said. “Local government delivers better services for less cost.”

The county has spent more than $5,000 showcasing its services at town halls in recent months — not to mention hours of employee time. Manchester, a city of about 18,000, has spent roughly $100,000, on consulting services and a massive public outreach campaign, including canvassing teams, open houses and mailers. A chunk of taxpayer money is at stake: The county estimates a roughly $2.8 million annual revenue loss if the area is annexed. Manchester estimates about $2.1 million in additional revenues from the annexed area in 2023 and roughly $3.9 million in 2024. The increase would be offset by higher municipal expenses, largely to hire more police and public works employees and to buy vehicles.

Annexed residents would see tax increases of 1.25 percentage points for municipal sales, 0.3 points for real estate, and $22 in sewer lateral fees. But they would pay $255 less in trash pickup fees.

Clement said new residents would benefit from their tax dollars staying closer to home, and Manchester’s current residents could see lower taxes in the future because of a larger revenue base.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/manchester-and-st-louis-county-spend-thousands-fighting-over-a-slice-of-land/article_0c0fde94-71ba-11ee-be60-1353992dcf12.html

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PostNov 01, 2023#797

What a waste of money - sounds like Manchester's finances aren't in the best shape so they're trying to up their tax base. I didn't realize that munis had avenues to annex unincorporated county land - is it just a vote? Does it need to be approved by all county voters or just those in the affected area?

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PostNov 01, 2023#798

Just Manchester and the residents of the area to be annexed vote on it.

PostNov 08, 2023#799

Didn't pass.

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PostNov 30, 2023#800

Bellefontaine Neighbors in gridlock again as officials call for investigation of spending
The city government here is stuck in gridlock for the second time in recent years. Officials can’t hire employees. The city can’t agree on a budget, and it’s lost out on a grant of up to $420,000 as a result. 
Bellefontaine Neighbors is already auditing its finances for the past two years. But aldermen are also calling for Missouri officials to investigate the new mayor, who they say repeatedly spends money and makes major decisions without their input. 
The mayor welcomes the audit, which is largely focused on the city’s finances under her predecessor. But she says the calls for a state investigation are an effort by her political opponents to obstruct her administration from keeping the city running in the meantime. 

Four of the seven Bellefontaine Neighbors aldermen have declared they have no confidence in Mayor Dinah Tatman in a two-page letter listing several grievances, including that she paid contractors and spent federal aid without approval and failed to document many expenses. They called for the state investigation in the letter, and they said they plan to formally request investigations by the Missouri Attorney General’s office or Ethics Commission. “She has continuously chosen not to work with the board,” said Board President James Thomas. Tatman, who published a line-by-line response on the city’s website, said the city doesn’t have enough staff to keep it running day to day, and alders have blocked Tatman from hiring workers.

“All of their actions are to prohibit me from doing my job,” she said. “They want full control of the city. If they can’t control it, they want to make my administration fail.” 

The dispute is the latest example of paralysis by political infighting in the north St. Louis County suburb of about 10,450 residents. Former mayor Tommie Pierson Sr. faced similar accusations of spending money without approval from a different faction of aldermen before he was unseated in April by Tatman, a former alderman.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/bellefontaine-neighbors-in-gridlock-again-as-officials-call-for-investigation-of-spending/article_1bc0577c-8887-11ee-a49d-a735c9dacc24.html

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