St. Louis Circuit Attorney race

dbInSouthCity · PostApr 23, 2023#1262023-04-23T21:13+00:00

State control of SLMPD is dead.

Combine county and city circuits could happen but there is 2 weeks left in the session and that seems like a huge thing to get off the ground. I mean it could totally back fire and Gardner wins the whole thing because remember, STL county is 60-40 democrats and now you’re adding 210,000 registered voters of which 180,000 are democrats. So Gardner has to beat Bell in the Dem primary and whoever wins that would coast in the general.

jshank83 · PostApr 24, 2023#1272023-04-24T18:45+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Apr 23, 2023
State control of SLMPD is dead.

Combine county and city circuits could happen but there is 2 weeks left in the session and that seems like a huge thing to get off the ground. I mean it could totally back fire and Gardner wins the whole thing because remember, STL county is 60-40 democrats and now you’re adding 210,000 registered voters of which 180,000 are democrats. So Gardner has to beat Bell in the Dem primary and whoever wins that would coast in the general.

I’m not sure I see her beating Bell.

STLAPTS · PostApr 24, 2023#1282023-04-24T21:09+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Apr 24, 2023
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Apr 23, 2023
State control of SLMPD is dead.

Combine county and city circuits could happen but there is 2 weeks left in the session and that seems like a huge thing to get off the ground. I mean it could totally back fire and Gardner wins the whole thing because remember, STL county is 60-40 democrats and now you’re adding 210,000 registered voters of which 180,000 are democrats. So Gardner has to beat Bell in the Dem primary and whoever wins that would coast in the general.
I’m not sure I see her beating Bell.

Agreed. Gardner loses to Bell. Probably not close.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 01, 2023#1292023-05-01T16:19+00:00

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/an ... e-39959206

Another prosecutor (previously on leave) departs, after Kim Gardner throws him under the bus, like all the others.

QUESTION: Isn't the Hinckley fellow from this article the same lawyer that was serving as a proxy (and seemingly answering most questions for) Tina Pihl?

PostMay 01, 2023#1302023-05-01T16:31+00:00

Make that TWO resignations today:

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 0#cxrecs_s

Chris Desilets, with contempt proceedings brought against him, resigns.

Laife Fulk · PostMay 01, 2023#1312023-05-01T17:53+00:00

I haven't been able to find a definitive answer, other than "a handful", but how many prosecutors are left at this point?

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 01, 2023#1322023-05-01T18:25+00:00

Everyone is focusing on the violent felonies group, which is reportedly down to 1 prosecutor for ~500 cases.

There are a number of other attorneys assign to misdemeanors, nuisance property, etc., but short of the 30 that Gardner is claiming.

PostMay 01, 2023#1332023-05-01T18:30+00:00

Per the reporting of KSDK's Christine Byers she has identified the following, dated April 29th:

2 assigned to Violent Felonies.
6 assigned to General Felonies.
6 assigned to Special Victims Unit.
1 assigned to Grand Jury.
1 assigned to White Collar Crimes.
2 assigned to Misdemeanors.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... 3bcce34b24

It should be noted that in 2016 there were 58 attorneys in this office, per the Post Dispatch

Aesir · PostMay 01, 2023#1342023-05-01T20:12+00:00

StlToday - Latest departures mean about one-third of Kim Gardner's attorneys have left since February

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 5b1aa.html

PostMay 01, 2023#1352023-05-01T20:13+00:00

What would merging the 21st and 22nd circuits require?

Suds · PostMay 02, 2023#1362023-05-02T14:01+00:00

Aesir wrote:What would merging the 21st and 22nd circuits require?

The court systems? That's probably not a good idea considering they're two of the busiest circuits in the state.

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dbInSouthCity · PostMay 02, 2023#1372023-05-02T15:41+00:00

I don’t know if the count system can be combined. I think what’s being talked about is the Prosecutors offices being combined and have one handle both circuits , and I don’t know if that’s a good idea either.

Suds · PostMay 02, 2023#1382023-05-02T16:40+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:I don’t know if the count system can be combined. I think what’s being talked about is the Prosecutors offices being combined and have one handle both circuits , and I don’t know if that’s a good idea either.

I think it could be handled effectively under one CA by having there be both a city office and a county office which operate separate from each other and are located in their current buildings. Both offices would have their own managers, with the CA overseeing both.

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sc4mayor · PostMay 02, 2023#1392023-05-02T21:44+00:00

^ I understood it to work like that. Much like most municipalities in the county maintain their own municipal prosecutors, the city would do the same. It just wouldn’t be a judicial circuit any longer. The city prosecutor would still handle violent crime and whatnot in the city, but the county office could back them up in the event they get overwhelmed. In theory the city office would have the resources to carry out their duties…that certainly isn’t the case right now. Similar to how the county will step in on murder and other violent cases that take place in some smaller county municipalities.

Very well could be wrong, but I’ve never understood the existing proposal to eliminate the city prosecutor entirely. I imagine there are plenty of circuits around the country orders of magnitude larger than a combined city/county circuit here would be. I see no reason it couldn’t be done and in my opinion would be preferable to a state takeover.

dbInSouthCity · PostMay 03, 2023#1402023-05-03T14:04+00:00

^ City does have its own municipal prosecutor too, its the City Law Dept, it handles ordinance violations, traffic tickets etc.

whitherSTL · PostMay 03, 2023#1412023-05-03T18:38+00:00

Kim is currently enrolled in SLU’s graduate nursing program.

dweebe · PostMay 03, 2023#1422023-05-03T18:39+00:00

whitherSTL wrote: ↑
May 03, 2023
Kim is currently enrolled in SLU’s graduate nursing program.

She's a sociopath.

Kim Gardner Is Enrolled in a Graduate Nursing Program Even as Staffers Abandon Ship
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/ki ... p-39980115

hebeters · PostMay 03, 2023#1432023-05-03T18:42+00:00

I do NOT want to see Kim G next to my gurney as I cling to life ty

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 03, 2023#1442023-05-03T18:56+00:00

My gosh, at this point I don't know what it is that is actually going to take down Kim, if any of it will at all.

She's currently facing a lawsuit with the Missouri Attorney General that will go to trial.

The Missouri State Auditor is threatening to file a lawsuit on May 15 if records are not produced. These records have been sought since 2021. Records they have received have been heavily redacted.

Multiple judges are threatening contempt charges against her.

She's in nursing school, in violation of her job.

And yet she'll have you believe that the struggles inside her office are in part due to conspiratorial efforts by some of her staff. She's tripled down on blaming her staff for any and all failures within her office.

hebeters · PostMay 03, 2023#1452023-05-03T19:07+00:00

Kim G is looking ahead
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-third-us-nurses-plan-104016877.html

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 03, 2023#1462023-05-03T19:10+00:00

She wants to go from one job where 1/3rd of her staff leaves, to a job where she actually has an excuse for when 1/3rd of her staff leaves.

whitherSTL · PostMay 03, 2023#1472023-05-03T19:13+00:00

I do admire her ballz. She has brass ballz. She clicks when she walks down a street.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 03, 2023#1482023-05-03T21:01+00:00

She'll burn it all to the ground on her way out.

Read Kim Gardner's defiant speech: 'I don't care if I have nobody in my office'
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/polit ... fe121bddaa

PostMay 03, 2023#1492023-05-03T21:02+00:00

Two more resign from the CAO. One from general felonies, one from misdemeanors.

Office down to 20 attorneys per KSDK.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 1ad57f2d77

STLEnginerd · PostMay 03, 2023#1502023-05-03T21:41+00:00

hmm. The narrative is largely against KG but her account makes me question it a bit. She might be straight up lying of course but it certainly seems like she is giving a honest (from her perspective) account. The CAs leaving is a big problem and their reviews of her seem less than stellar, but if you were seeing this much pressure how well do you think you might fair in terms of defensiveness, anger, lack of motivation, etc.

So is there an institutional undermining of the office, or is she truly incompetent? Now I AM hoping for a trial of some kind so that they can establish what is actually true here.

That said the CA needs to function because it has real effects on peoples lives.

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