^I can't say as I used that Walgreens all that much, and I walk past one of them from time to time. There's plenty of other pharmacies nearby. I feel a bit sorry for the folks who will be laid off, but it's not like they treat their people famously well anyway. With luck they can turn around and find something better quickly. And the site could absolutely support something better. The 7/11 at Bates and Virginia was replaced quickly enough. I expect the Walgreens at Bates and Grand will be as well. Maybe the Dollar General will move across the street and something better can move into their space on Grand. I don't feel like this is the end of the world at all. Just . . . life.
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Do we know that Walgreens is specifically closing those locations because of crime? When I Googled "Walgreens store closings" the first story that came up was one from Louisville on 4 closures in that city.
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Both Walgreens and CVS are closing 100s of stores around the country for a whole host of reasons, the biggest being too rapid of growth
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How much crime is in St. Louis? FBI gets numbers wrong after city fell behind on reporting.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... c239d.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... c239d.html
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^ that’s irrelevant to anyone locally, all locals go to SLMPD website for the crime data. It’s all posted here, now why it doesn’t get sent to the fbi? Idk but it appears that fbi can’t get about half of police dept around the country to submit the data to them
https://www.slmpd.org/crime_stats.shtml
https://www.slmpd.org/crime_stats.shtml
Yesterday, gunshots were fired right outside the Civil Courts building which entered the building, a KFC employee near the CWE was shot because they didn't have corn, and a small business owner in Shaw was carjacked while moving stuff into her store. Generally, I'm far from tough on crime and am hesitant when it comes to increasing police presence since it doesn't fix the root problems. However, I'd also like to see St. Louis become a place where this kind of stuff is extraordinary, as opposed to the norm. It's clear our elected officials don't have reduction of crime as a priority, which is concerning as access to firearms becomes easier every year.
As such, maybe it's time to consider some kind of community movement. Is anybody familiar with any community-led crime reduction measures that have been successful in other cities?
As such, maybe it's time to consider some kind of community movement. Is anybody familiar with any community-led crime reduction measures that have been successful in other cities?
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How about defunding the cops and giving money directly to people so that their material needs are met and we don't have a city full of desperate people?Suds wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2022Yesterday, gunshots were fired right outside the Civil Courts building which entered the building, a KFC employee near the CWE was shot because they didn't have corn, and a small business owner in Shaw was carjacked while moving stuff into her store. Generally, I'm far from tough on crime and am hesitant when it comes to increasing police presence since it doesn't fix the root problems. However, I'd also like to see St. Louis become a place where this kind of stuff is extraordinary, as opposed to the norm. It's clear our elected officials don't have reduction of crime as a priority, which is concerning as access to firearms becomes easier every year.
As such, maybe it's time to consider some kind of community movement. Is anybody familiar with any community-led crime reduction measures that have been successful in other cities?
Add to that a little old church lady (no joke) was carjacked right in front of St. Cecilia as the kids played are recess nearby.
I'm pretty sure StL is trying/has tried every from of community policing to one degree or another already. Neighborhood watches, citizen patrols, Neighborhood Ownership Model groups (NOM) are just the things that come immediately to mind and have been tried in/around my 'hood. They work to varying degrees, but only a the very local level and only if supported and sustained by more than a handful of committed residents. St. Louis Hills' has some kind of pilot program going with networked cameras that send direct alerts to private security: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... e-39023852. That might be productive in neighborhoods that can afford widespread cameras and private security but the jury's still out.
One thing that hasn't been tried is armed citizen militias deputized by SLMPD and/or the Sherriff. Sounds far-fetched but might catch on as economic conditions further deteriorate.
I'm pretty sure StL is trying/has tried every from of community policing to one degree or another already. Neighborhood watches, citizen patrols, Neighborhood Ownership Model groups (NOM) are just the things that come immediately to mind and have been tried in/around my 'hood. They work to varying degrees, but only a the very local level and only if supported and sustained by more than a handful of committed residents. St. Louis Hills' has some kind of pilot program going with networked cameras that send direct alerts to private security: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... e-39023852. That might be productive in neighborhoods that can afford widespread cameras and private security but the jury's still out.
One thing that hasn't been tried is armed citizen militias deputized by SLMPD and/or the Sherriff. Sounds far-fetched but might catch on as economic conditions further deteriorate.
While the lack of material needs is an underlying cause of crime, defunding the police alone will not magically fix the systemic issues that have been rooted in our city and country over the past decades and centuries. It would prevent necessary emergency responders in situations when help is needed and perhaps would incentivize more crime in the interim due to a decrease in accountability. It also would almost certainly result in more people and businesses leaving the city — when you talk to people about their criticisms of Downtown, for example, the lack of police patrolling is almost always mentioned.MarkHaversham wrote:How about defunding the cops and giving money directly to people so that their material needs are met and we don't have a city full of desperate people?Suds wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2022Yesterday, gunshots were fired right outside the Civil Courts building which entered the building, a KFC employee near the CWE was shot because they didn't have corn, and a small business owner in Shaw was carjacked while moving stuff into her store. Generally, I'm far from tough on crime and am hesitant when it comes to increasing police presence since it doesn't fix the root problems. However, I'd also like to see St. Louis become a place where this kind of stuff is extraordinary, as opposed to the norm. It's clear our elected officials don't have reduction of crime as a priority, which is concerning as access to firearms becomes easier every year.
As such, maybe it's time to consider some kind of community movement. Is anybody familiar with any community-led crime reduction measures that have been successful in other cities?
I hope we can reach a place where police are no longer needed. But defunding the police is not a panacea and should be the end goal, rather than the first step.
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The new Chief is getting $275,000 a year, $175K from the City and $100,000 from STL police foundation, kinda like how a lot of college coaches are paid.
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I agree with Mark. Get rid of all police and use those funds to give “desperate “ people $10K a month so they suddenly won’t do drugs and do crazy-azz stuff.
Setting aside the foundation money, $175K/year from the city makes him the second highest-paid city employee, correct? Second only to Greg FX Daly who's pulling down ~$200K?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2022The new Chief is getting $275,000 a year, $175K from the City and $100,000 from STL police foundation, kinda like how a lot of college coaches are paid.
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^ Daly technically isn't a city employee, he's county part of stl city.
top 10 highest paid City employees 2021-2022
1. airport director Hamm-Niebruegge- $240,000
2. directory of public safety Dan Isom- $200,000
3. BPS president- Rich Bradley- $199,600
4. health director- Hlatshwayo- $181,500
5. City Counselor- Hamilton- $174,174
6. Mayors CoS- Boyd $166,000
7. Airport Planning director- Beckmann- $161,000
8. Deputy city counselor- Garvin- $161,000
9. Airport Ops Director- Stella $161,000
10. Mayors Ops Director- Cross $156,000
top 10 highest paid City employees 2021-2022
1. airport director Hamm-Niebruegge- $240,000
2. directory of public safety Dan Isom- $200,000
3. BPS president- Rich Bradley- $199,600
4. health director- Hlatshwayo- $181,500
5. City Counselor- Hamilton- $174,174
6. Mayors CoS- Boyd $166,000
7. Airport Planning director- Beckmann- $161,000
8. Deputy city counselor- Garvin- $161,000
9. Airport Ops Director- Stella $161,000
10. Mayors Ops Director- Cross $156,000
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Handing out $10k to gangbangers and drug addicts seems like it would lead to more bullets and drugs rather than love and hugs.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2022I agree with Mark. Get rid of all police and use those funds to give “desperate “ people $10K a month so they suddenly won’t do drugs and do crazy-azz stuff.
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The legitimate dealers in STL make about $50,000 a month
Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell legitimate or Nick Sobotka legitimate ?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2022The legitimate dealers in STL make about $50,000 a month
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The point is really to give the money to people before they become gangbangers and drug addicts. How many middle-class kids join gangs?chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2022I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Handing out $10k to gangbangers and drug addicts seems like it would lead to more bullets and drugs rather than love and hugs.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2022I agree with Mark. Get rid of all police and use those funds to give “desperate “ people $10K a month so they suddenly won’t do drugs and do crazy-azz stuff.
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Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner hired former Reign night club owner...for the love of god.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2#cxrecs_s
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2#cxrecs_s
Judging by the 50k salary, its likely something administrative, which I'd wager the employee is qualified for, but this is pretty tone deaf and simultaneously on brand for the current CAO. On the other hand, odd the CAO won't actually tell what she does.
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It's clearly tone deaf; that's no question. The real question is if this is deliberate trolling.
I have zero faith in St. Louis voters lifting her responsibilities from her, so I guess this is what we're going to have for the foreseeable future.
I have zero faith in St. Louis voters lifting her responsibilities from her, so I guess this is what we're going to have for the foreseeable future.
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She’s overqualified for the job no doubt and if one thing that office needs is more qualified people for all and any jobs in that office.
Geez! STL is something special! No wonder its always stuck! An incompetent hiring a thug that owes thousands of dollars!! Only in STL!!TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner hired former Reign night club owner...for the love of god.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2#cxrecs_s
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As if every level of government isn't largely owned and operated by thugs operating on a much grander scale.
Well, if that’s the case, there’s nothing we can do about it then…MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Dec 24, 2022As if every level of government isn't largely owned and operated by thugs operating on a much grander scale.