^Am I that bad? I mean, I'm kind of proud of having grown up here, left, failed spectacularly, and come back in the train of someone much more successful who didn't grow up here, but who loves the place now. (At least when she hasn't logged into NextDoor recently.)
I hate defending Hartmann but you guys are missing the point.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Dec 02, 2022Hartmann refers to what Greater St. Louis, Inc. is doing as "same old, same old," but I'd like to know what GSL accomplished when it was five different organizations; I'd like to know where exactly St. Louis' wealthiest were concentrating their efforts for the last fifty years; I'd like to know where the profits were (GSL just turned a profit); and I'd like to ask, who else is going to step up for St. Louis and help restore the core and region?
A major St. Louis organization, freshly re-organized, with wishes to revamp the city with 30,000 new jobs and other aspirations, is not "same old, same old." The organization is mounting wins for the city, the county, and for the other thirteen counties in the metro, and it's not like I see an intentional bias. Greater St. Louis, Inc. has helped secure several wins for Warren County that amount to a few thousand jobs.
I don't care about transparency; I care about results. I want to see St. Louis rise, and I don't think we're going to see that happen when people pull out their pitchforks and flaming torches anytime anything good happens in this town.
Per Hartmann, GSL is "same old, same old" in the sense that its the ruling class of St. Louis using what's nominally a non-profit civic booster organization to front-run economic development opportunities and secure a cut for the private benefit of said ruling class via GSL's for-profit arm. It's also same old, same old that said ruling class would resist attempts to bring this aspect of their operation to light.
Your question, where was the St. Louis wealthy concentrating their efforts the last fifty years, is simple: they were doing the exact same thing GSL is doing, just in a less-focused (and, I agree, less successful) manner as two or more separate organizations (primarily Civic Progress and the old Regional Chamber and Growth Association). The other major difference is that some of the players have changed, e.g., instead of the Busch family we have the Taylors.
On your last point I agree; St. Louis isn't in a position to demand moral probity and fiscal rectitude from its rulers so long as they're delivering the goods, so to speak. If they happen to get their beaks wet in the process well I guess that's just the price for success, at least for now.
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^ that’s not really what’s happening tho, I had some heart burn about this before getting a better understanding about the set up. The fund is basically people willing to take a hair cut and a lesser return in order to get some major projects to happen and their main focus is city core projects.
Most places are fairly insular, especially those that have large numbers of people who grew up there still living there. People in the Pacific Northwest are known particularly to being unfriendly towards new residents as you hear about similar things in Seattle and Portland/Eugene.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 02, 2022^Am I that bad? I mean, I'm kind of proud of having grown up here, left, failed spectacularly, and come back in the train of someone much more successful who didn't grow up here, but who loves the place now. (At least when she hasn't logged into NextDoor recently.)
Heard a rumor recently from an acquaintance pretty high up in the local tech scene that a Big Five tech company is becoming increasingly interested in opening a St. Louis office, specifically in Downtown. They're renting a unit near BPV in the meantime and are looking at other options, including Railway Exchange, in case a proper presence here in the future works out.
I know that's incredibly vague, but still interesting and hopefully it pans out. Apparently when Microsoft opened their Cortex location, it put STL more on the map for others.
I know that's incredibly vague, but still interesting and hopefully it pans out. Apparently when Microsoft opened their Cortex location, it put STL more on the map for others.
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What are we talking here when you say big five?
Top five US tech companies by revenue in 2021 was
Apple
Alphabet
Microsoft
Dell
Meta
Although Amazon wasn't included on this particular list so I'm sure I'm missing others
Top five US tech companies by revenue in 2021 was
Apple
Alphabet
Microsoft
Dell
Meta
Although Amazon wasn't included on this particular list so I'm sure I'm missing others
I'm referring to Alphabet/Google, Amazon, Apple, Meta/FB, and Microsoft.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:What are we talking here when you say big five?
Top five US tech companies by revenue in 2021 was
Apple
Alphabet
Microsoft
Dell
Meta
Although Amazon wasn't included on this particular list so I'm sure I'm missing others
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I'd love to see it be Apple or Alphabet/Google.
If it's Apple, it'd be nice to see an Apple store or two in the city.
If it's Apple, it'd be nice to see an Apple store or two in the city.
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Amazon is the biggest of them all.
Netflix, Zoom, HP all in the top 20. Lots of options and the top "5" depends on if you are looking overall or by sector.
I think if it is truly a top 5 it has to be Amazon or Alphabet. Facebook/Meta is struggling, Microsoft has an office in Cortex, Dell...well not sure what the move there would be but imagine they have reason to be close to WWT. Let the unfounded conjecture commence!
Netflix, Zoom, HP all in the top 20. Lots of options and the top "5" depends on if you are looking overall or by sector.
I think if it is truly a top 5 it has to be Amazon or Alphabet. Facebook/Meta is struggling, Microsoft has an office in Cortex, Dell...well not sure what the move there would be but imagine they have reason to be close to WWT. Let the unfounded conjecture commence!
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If a company is strapped for cash and wants to cut payroll without expensive layoffs/severance, just move a ton of jobs to STL. A good portion of them would just quit before moving here and you can replace them with cheaper Midwest talent.
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My guesses...
I feel like Alphabet is the likely candidate that would benefit the most from a new presence in the Midwest. Especially considering their heavy involvement in mapping and the presence of NGA locally. Imagine if they moved Google Maps app development to the St. Louis. Cyber security and Defense contracts could be a likely focus as well.
An expanded presence for Microsoft would be the close second guess. Especially if the current Cortex offices have performed well. Similar focus opportunities i would guess.
Someone should sell the idea of 909 Chesnut with their corporate branding on the top.
I feel like Alphabet is the likely candidate that would benefit the most from a new presence in the Midwest. Especially considering their heavy involvement in mapping and the presence of NGA locally. Imagine if they moved Google Maps app development to the St. Louis. Cyber security and Defense contracts could be a likely focus as well.
An expanded presence for Microsoft would be the close second guess. Especially if the current Cortex offices have performed well. Similar focus opportunities i would guess.
Someone should sell the idea of 909 Chesnut with their corporate branding on the top.
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It would be so cool if Google Maps was headquartered out of St. Louis.
Apple could do the same thing, though -- they have a maps service that I feel is not as popular as Google's. Perhaps moving some of that to St. Louis could help them catch up.
Apple could do the same thing, though -- they have a maps service that I feel is not as popular as Google's. Perhaps moving some of that to St. Louis could help them catch up.
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AWS could be the sector/branch of Amazon as well. With cheap and plentiful water these hosting guys might be all over it. With the dearth of parking 909 would be ideal for a low employee operation like that.
Google maps would be huge. Speaking of which, that app says WWT has an office at 900 Spruce but I otherwise see little big name tech in the vicinity of BPV.
Google maps would be huge. Speaking of which, that app says WWT has an office at 900 Spruce but I otherwise see little big name tech in the vicinity of BPV.
Google just bought the Thompson Center in Chicago…seems odd they’d be perusing space in another nearby city that quickly.
https://blog.google/inside-google/compa ... on-center/
Meta and Amazon just announced big layoffs. Apple said it would slow hiring and be very “deliberate” in future employment decisions.
Seems odd this would surface now. Though I guess I could see some connections with mapping/geospatial, defense, etc.
I’d still like to see IBM move its St. Louis facility from Hazelwood to the city…
https://blog.google/inside-google/compa ... on-center/
Meta and Amazon just announced big layoffs. Apple said it would slow hiring and be very “deliberate” in future employment decisions.
Seems odd this would surface now. Though I guess I could see some connections with mapping/geospatial, defense, etc.
I’d still like to see IBM move its St. Louis facility from Hazelwood to the city…
In hindsight, I should have asked if the increasing geospatial presente here was a factor. But yes, the company I was told about does have a prominent product that relies heavily on geospatial technology.
Again, I don't know if this will ever actually result in a big thing for the area. But they're definitely hiring a small local team that may expand into something bigger if things go well based on what I was told.
Again, I don't know if this will ever actually result in a big thing for the area. But they're definitely hiring a small local team that may expand into something bigger if things go well based on what I was told.
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I know Microsoft is already here, but this does seem a good moment to point out that they were in the mapping game with Terraserver and the USGS well before Google jumped in the ring. And they still have a quite decent set of geographic information. Anyway, however this might come out, excited to see it. I spend way too much time poring over maps.
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Legal Services of Eastern Missouri will move downtown(from CWE) to the Peabody building and take the entire 11 floor and part of the 12th for its 90 employees and 50 interns.
With that, Peabody is almost completely full I believe. Good move by LSEM, too. A lot of the work they do requires them to be downtown and their CWE building has seen better days.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2022Legal Services of Eastern Missouri will move downtown(from CWE) to the Peabody building and take the entire 11 floor and part of the 12th for its 90 employees and 50 interns.
Trying to figure out how to slant it as a bad thing first.
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The sky is falling …
Value of building permits in downtown+west since 2015…
2015- $56,000,000
2016- $87,000,000
2017- $156,000,000
2018- $300,000,000 (BPV tower)
2019- $107,000,000
2020- $460,000,000 (main permit for mls stadium)
2021- $255,000,000
2021- $300,000,000 (through Monday)
Value of building permits in downtown+west since 2015…
2015- $56,000,000
2016- $87,000,000
2017- $156,000,000
2018- $300,000,000 (BPV tower)
2019- $107,000,000
2020- $460,000,000 (main permit for mls stadium)
2021- $255,000,000
2021- $300,000,000 (through Monday)
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Cortex was trying to work with WUSTL to put them up on Delmar. I think Downtown is a much better fit. There was some talk of having a small satellite location downtown for a while so this also eliminates that need.Suds wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2022With that, Peabody is almost completely full I believe. Good move by LSEM, too. A lot of the work they do requires them to be downtown and their CWE building has seen better days.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2022Legal Services of Eastern Missouri will move downtown(from CWE) to the Peabody building and take the entire 11 floor and part of the 12th for its 90 employees and 50 interns.
Hear these guns, open parking lots becoming more and more a problem Downtown. Mayor talking about paying reparations while Downtown sounds like war zone and before a genius says it doesn’t sound like a war zone I have a combat patch!
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