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Sarah K wrote: ↑

Jun 02, 2022

Is it just an optical illusion or are those windows not installed at the same height?

If you're referring to the pics in Imran's post or mine, keep in mind that was a photoshop modification of the picture on page 15; the actual windows are level. Tiny, but level:

So here's what it looks like in real life:


And this is an altered photo with Imran's addition of an extra row of windows an my cornice added:


I know I only spent like 10 minutes on the cornice and wasn't too worried about the details. I mean, there's actually tree branches still covering the side portion of the cornice from the picture where I stole it from if you look closely . I assume Imran similarly just whipped up a quick mod and wasn't going for precision.

-RBB

maybe this color brick? https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4469-Westminster-Pl_Saint-Louis_MO_63108_M86429-92097

Finally!
$300k building permit application submitted for rehab of 5731 DeGiverville.

^ Curious how detailed the FBC is? The reason why I ask is the one in FPSE seems to typically require multiple variances for new construction, even for single family infill.  The variances mostly seem to get approved eventually (including things like the drive-thru for the Raising Cane's) but I'm not sure how much the FBC has eased things there.

Anyway, core issues like setting parking ratios (or eliminating parking requirements alltogether) and building height definitely are important to address but that doesn't require a FBC and it seems like an FBC can get too clunky, particularly on the building design level.  I think it would be nice to have a report on the FPSE FBC now that it's been around for awhile to help inform other efforts and citywide planning.

STLrainbow wrote:^ Curious how detailed the FBC is? The reason why I ask is the one in FPSE seems to typically require multiple variances for new construction, even for single family infill.  The variances mostly seem to get approved eventually (including things like the drive-thru for the Raising Cane's) but I'm not sure how much the FBC has eased things there.

Anyway, core issues like setting parking ratios (or eliminating parking requirements alltogether) and building height definitely are important to address but that doesn't require a FBC and it seems like an FBC can get too clunky, particularly on the building design level.  I think it would be nice to have a report on the FPSE FBC now that it's been around for awhile to help inform other efforts and citywide planning.

Can be read in detail here: https://delmarfbd.com

As a resident I am overall satisfied with the plan.

^ tbh I began to take a look at the draft before my post but then gave up on the lengthy 63 page presentation.  

Anyway, again going back to the FPSE code, it seems like a lot of effort went into something that's not really being followed, which kind of defeats the purpose. (e.g. iirc, the part infill/part third story addition project which has good urban form on Manchester required 17 variances from the FBC....it was approved by the Board of Adjustment, but something is amiss when projects tyically need multiple variances from what's supposed to regulate the project.)  Hopefully this FBC is a little more functional and perhaps learns from that FBC, just the second one in the city.

^Yeah it's been disappointing how unwieldy the form based codes in the FPSE & CWE have actually been in practice. On some other thread a developer claimed that every development in Forest Park Southeast since the FBC passed has required a zoning variance. 

Looking northeast out across the DeGiverville Triangle in Skinker DeBaliviere

The Winter Garden rehab seems to be moving at a decent pace.


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SeattleNative wrote:
Looking northeast out across the DeGiverville Triangle in Skinker DeBaliviere

The Winter Garden rehab seems to be moving at a decent pace.


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I’d disagree but I walk by it daily. Rehab is good but wow it seems like a snail pace to me.

A proposed 3-fam on the vacant lot at 6000 Washington at Des Peres is on the Dec 29th PB agenda. I saw a rendering quite a while ago and am curious to see how it's changed. The plan used to be for four units.

I guess they'll have a nice little cul-de-sac all to themselves #healthegrid

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Any chance of them throwing a ground level retail space in on the Winter Garden rehab?

That'd be nice, but there are other retail bays to be filled rn.

quincunx wrote:That'd be nice, but there are other retail bays to be filled rn.

I’ve noticed there hasn’t been any advertising for the retail bays at The Expo. Do they have businesses lined up? Why not get them in as soon as possible? Are they waiting for Fields Foods to draw traffic first?


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SeattleNative wrote:

Miss Shell wrote:I guess they'll have a nice little cul-de-sac all to themselves #healthegrid

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Is it a cul de sac if it’s a modal filter that allows for pedestrian and cyclist traffic?


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Literal terms yes it’s a cul de sac by design. I see what you’re saying though and agree it should remain as is. Rosedale and degiverville would be more beneficial to open imo.