3 people are dead. One is a teacher, one is a student, and the other is the piece of trash who deserves to be dead (the shooter). 6 others are in the hospital getting treatment. This could've been a whole lot worse if the police acted like the Uvalde cowards. It's still a horrible event either way and I'm hopeful the 6 in the hospital recover from their injuries.gone corporate wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2022Shooting today at Central Visual and Performing Arts High School
Arsenal and South Kingshighway
Suspected shooter arrested and in custody
3 victims shot, alive, receiving treatment
School has been evacuated
City Police asking everyone to stay away from the area as they search the building
KSDK: Suspect in custody after shooting at St. Louis school
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Its required by the state for SLMPD, back in the day public pensions were pretty good and this one has stayed that way while most have been reformed including SLFDSB in BH wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2022Thanks, DB. Is the outsized pension contribution required by the state, then? Any idea their rationale? Is this like the "full funding" mandate set by Congress for the postal service whereby USPS had to fully fund 75 years of benefits up front?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 21, 2022It cannot, one the local control happened the pension control stayed at the state level. Some have talked about suing the state for it being an unfunded mandate
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I don't think on the wrong side of the street is really a smart call. I'd be pretty pissed if MY kid were killed in a car accident caused by you driving on the wrong side of the road.kipfilet wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2022
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That just means we need even more police and guns to achieve Perfect Safety.kipfilet wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2022
My oldest daughter graduated from CVPA, knew the teacher/victim, I’ve been in that school many times. Hard to watch all those kids running out. SLPD was impressive today.
Urban Chestnut was burglarized last night, doesn't seem like there was much damage thankfully. There seems to be a very large spike in these types of crimes lately and very little return for the criminals (most places don't keep much cash on hand). However, the reputational damage to the city continues to mount. I'm certainly no expert so I don't pretend to have the solution, but the fact that it happens (nearly) exclusively in the city tells me the criminals know the cops are short staffed and are under-patrolling. In this case, it really does appear that crime is following the boundaries or we would see it happen in other locales. Would love to hear opinions on how to prevent this more as my fear is all that will come out of this is quite a few less restaurants/businesses in the city.
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Id bet my mortgage that none of these statements are facts.MRNHS wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2022the fact that it happens (nearly) exclusively in the city tells me the criminals know the cops are short staffed and are under-patrolling.
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I think you'd be right. There was a string of burglaries along Watson over the summer. My dad's daycare center was hit, along with a couple of their neighbors. Webster and Crestwood. We don't hear as much about them, maybe, but there are absolutely burglaries in sufficient numbers outside city limits to make it something other than a (nearly) exclusively city problem. I don't have statistics. Don't want to make any particular claims. But I don't know that you need statistics to dispute bald statements based on anecdotes and hearsay.
IMO: There’s no longer fear of prosecution in the City of St Louis and St Louis County. This empowers criminals to do what they want and disincentivizes the police to arrest criminals as they’ll just be let go without punishment. The issue is not needing more police. It’s the prosecutors’ fault for either not enforcing the laws, not showing up to court or showing up to court very unprepared for the case. Wesley Bell and Kim Gardner (and their offices) are the problem.
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^ that’s ridiculous, especially for Wesley Bell. Nobody at county police or elected officials right or left think that about his office. It’s a professional staffed and run office. Gardners issues with running her office and getting people to work for her are well know
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
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I used to believe this was a terrible opinion, but after being nearly hit by police while crossing at a crosswalk on multiple occasions, I have come to my senses of realizing that I think our police force here in STL has to be the worst and most negligent at doing their job correctly.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ that’s ridiculous, especially for Wesley Bell. Nobody at county police or elected officials right or left think that about his office. It’s a professional staffed and run office. Gardners issues with running her office and getting people to work for her are well know
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
This doesn’t even consider the numerous traffic violations I’ve seen them break. How can we expect the general population to care if they don’t?
They've also made smash and grab runs through Maplewood, Brentwood etc.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022I think you'd be right. There was a string of burglaries along Watson over the summer. My dad's daycare center was hit, along with a couple of their neighbors. Webster and Crestwood. We don't hear as much about them, maybe, but there are absolutely burglaries in sufficient numbers outside city limits to make it something other than a (nearly) exclusively city problem. I don't have statistics. Don't want to make any particular claims. But I don't know that you need statistics to dispute bald statements based on anecdotes and hearsay.
Who the hell is leaving cash in registers overnight so that these knuckleheads think it is worth it? I worked retail/restaurant for over 15+ years when I was younger and not one single place did we leave anything besides change.
Agree, it’s not about right or left. I suggest you talk to police officers. Have conversations with them. Lack of prosecution is the problem.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022^ that’s ridiculous, especially for Wesley Bell. Nobody at county police or elected officials right or left think that about his office. It’s a professional staffed and run office. Gardners issues with running her office and getting people to work for her are well know
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
No doubt there’s bad cops out there. But 90 plus percent of them are good.
To say police in general are the problem CAUSING crime and that criminals having no fear of prosecution has nothing to do with the crime problems in St Louis County, then I respectfully think you’re wrong.
But we both have a right to opinions and I respect yours.
Of course if you talk to officers they won't say that police are the problem, getting an understanding of this problem requires talking to many of the communities involved.kbshapiro wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022Agree, it’s not about right or left. I suggest you talk to police officers. Have conversations with them. Lack of prosecution is the problem.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022^ that’s ridiculous, especially for Wesley Bell. Nobody at county police or elected officials right or left think that about his office. It’s a professional staffed and run office. Gardners issues with running her office and getting people to work for her are well know
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
No doubt there’s bad cops out there. But 90 plus percent of them are good.
To say police in general are the problem CAUSING crime and that criminals having no fear of prosecution has nothing to do with the crime problems in St Louis County, then I respectfully think you’re wrong.
But we both have a right to opinions and I respect yours.
The problem with saying it's only a small number of bad cops while 90%+ are good is that those 90% fight tooth and nail to protect the bad ones. The lack of accountability allows bad cops to get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for infractions that would cause the rest of us to lose our jobs and/or end up in prison. I've know quite a few officers and most of them are great guys, but this dynamic is what frustrates me the most about police and it exponentially erodes trust in the force as a whole.
It may not be the only problem with our criminal justice system, but it is a problem and a major one in my opinion.
I'm afraid this is the kind of talk that's going to result in massive nation-wide losses for the Democrats next week.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022^
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
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Reality talk? Are the police delicate daisies who can’t be criticized? The truth is the truth I don’t care if democrats lose 500 electionsframer wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022I'm afraid this is the kind of talk that's going to result in massive nation-wide losses for the Democrats next week.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022^
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
^^^Great comment and I agree completely.
Yes, LEO is a tough gig;
Yes, they are underpaid in the City especially;
Yes, lax prosecution is a real problem in the City;
and YES, MO gun laws make the job way harder than in most other states.
But, they also don't cover themselves in glory with their actions (or lack thereof) and their well documented disdain for the law when it concerns themselves. (Anecdotally, I see police cruisers blow through the stop sign in front of my house almost daily and its not because they're responding to an emergency). They (or their representatives) are also the biggest bunch of whiners you'll find in public life. I support the police but it should be obvious that reform, starting with real accountability, is absolutely necessary.
Yes, LEO is a tough gig;
Yes, they are underpaid in the City especially;
Yes, lax prosecution is a real problem in the City;
and YES, MO gun laws make the job way harder than in most other states.
But, they also don't cover themselves in glory with their actions (or lack thereof) and their well documented disdain for the law when it concerns themselves. (Anecdotally, I see police cruisers blow through the stop sign in front of my house almost daily and its not because they're responding to an emergency). They (or their representatives) are also the biggest bunch of whiners you'll find in public life. I support the police but it should be obvious that reform, starting with real accountability, is absolutely necessary.
On this issue, democrats losing elections is a good thing. They're quick to adopt activist slogans and do other BS stunts in the moment and then run away from the issue as soon as that moment's past, squandering the opportunity for real reform. I'm convinced this apparent ineptitude is in fact intentional. They deserve to be punished for it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022Reality talk? Are the police delicate daisies who can’t be criticized? The truth is the truth I don’t care if democrats lose 500 electionsframer wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022I'm afraid this is the kind of talk that's going to result in massive nation-wide losses for the Democrats next week.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022^
The actual problem is the police- after decades of abusing their power they got exposed in 100 ways over the last 5 years and nobody has respect for them anywhere. They can play victim all they want but it’s all on them, so they should just stfu and start earning respect again.
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Police in the city get $30,000 a year in pension vs $7,000 in Clayton, so someone starting at 22 can “retire” from SLMPD at age 42 with $600,000 in their pension account. City can’t really do much more on pay until the pension is brought in line with other PDs
What do federal election and sh*tty police have to do with one another? Federal elects have zero impact on police other then certain funding/grants which all have gone up since Biden admin took overSB in BH wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022On this issue, democrats losing elections is a good thing. They're quick to adopt activist slogans and do other BS stunts in the moment and then run away from the issue as soon as that moment's past, squandering the opportunity for real reform. I'm convinced this apparent ineptitude is in fact intentional. They deserve to be punished for it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022Reality talk? Are the police delicate daisies who can’t be criticized? The truth is the truth I don’t care if democrats lose 500 electionsframer wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2022
I'm afraid this is the kind of talk that's going to result in massive nation-wide losses for the Democrats next week.
I'm not taking about federal elections. I'm talking about the thousands of local elections happening all over the country, where Republicans can run on a tough-on-crime platform and win the vote of the average American who's tired of the recent nation-wide crime surge.
I had thought that the abortion issue would save the day for Democrats, but that doesn't seem to be happening. We'll see next week, I guess
I had thought that the abortion issue would save the day for Democrats, but that doesn't seem to be happening. We'll see next week, I guess